REFLECTOR: side sticks

Dan Schindler danpilot91 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 4 11:51:31 CDT 2011


The keel( console) is very much structural and should not be removed.
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> 1. Re: Side-Stick (Jim Agnew)
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> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Agnew <jim_agnew_2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Side-Stick
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> I believe that the console is a structural piece of the plane.? I could be
wrong.
> ?
> Jim
>
> James F. Agnew
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> From: none <markinchampions at gmail.com>
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 11:37 AM
>>Subject: REFLECTOR: Side-Stick
>>
>>
>>Has anyone installed a non-Velocity kit side-stick on a Standard model??
This would give more room in the cabin if the console was removed.
>>
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> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 11:57:40 -0400
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
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> I can get some pics when I'm back in town.
>
> I've never noticed anybody being concerned about the sight gages. I
> always point them out and tell them that those are the "never fail fuel
> gages" and are used to verify the electronic gages in the panel are
> working correctly and verification is done during the before engine
> start checklist. They like that!
>
> I don't know how good the Atkinson gages are, I've heard some had
> problems, one problem being they get dirty over time and are hard to
> read. I saw some in a 10 year old cozy and the sight glass was not easy
> to see through. Which with the tygon tube gage, is an easy fix. I also
> put a white round pellet made from micro in the tubes, too big to go
> through the brass fitting, small enough to travel up and down in the
> tube, that floats on the fuel. makes it even easier to see the gage.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
> From: Tom Falls <tomfalls6 at gmail.com>
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 06/04/2011 11:45 AM
>
>> I like simple. Got any pictures? My one concern with the tubing is mostly
>> due to aesthetics. I don't care for the look of them, but I also think
>> non-flyers/technical types will not get a warm fuzzy feeling sitting
>> elbow-to-elbow with the fuel plumbing, having just heard me tell them
that
>> this is a home built experimental. Yes I know the Atkinson gauges are the
>> same, but the connotation to newbie flyers is completely different. I
want
>> to instill confidence in my non-flying friends that this plane I built
with
>> my own 2 hands is (will be) a safe plane.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 10:34 AM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>>
>> I have sight gages and cap fuel sensors in the mains hooked up to a
>> Dynon EMS.
>>
>> My sight gages are the factory, 90 degree brass fittings with tubing for
>> the see through part. I love um. Simple, simple simple. I use Tygon
>> clear Laboratory quality tubing, thick wall. Its tough stuff! When the
>> tubing starts getting dirty on the inside and it does, about every 4
>> years. I wack off a couple more 6 inch pieces of my lifetime 6 ft roll
>> and swap them out. Thy now look brand new!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>> From: Tom Falls<tomfalls6 at gmail.com>
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'<reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Date: 06/04/2011 10:12 AM
>>
>>> Being a genuine certified coward, I certainly plan on using Kurt's
advice
>> to
>>> THINK ahead and measure fuel on the ground and calculate
>> time-in-the-tanks.
>>> Continuing on that thought, I am installing a capacitance fuel gauge in
>> each
>>> tank feeding a Dynon for low fuel alert, plus Atkinson Fuel Sight Gauges
>> on
>>> each as well to give me assurances that nothing has gone wrong during
>>> flight. Based on all your inputs I'm leaning strongly away from
installing
>> a
>>> sensor on the sump. I can always add it later, but it doesn't seem to
add
>>> much safety while at the same time potentially adding a distraction if
>> false
>>> alarms are an ongoing issue as others have reported.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>> Behalf Of sbjknox
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:45 AM
>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Al Gietzen"<ALVentures at cox.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>> My sump (SE RG) measured at 2.3 ga. Yes; the fuel warning there is
>> pretty
>>>> much a 'too late!' light; so you need something else. I have a
>>>> capacitance
>>>> probe on one side that reads out on the EM, and had the sight-gauge (no
>>>> longer works) on the other. I like to measure the fuel in the tanks
with
>>>> the old-fashioned calibrated stick; then set the totalizer and have it
>>>> keep
>>>> track of usage. The readout will begin blinking when it gets to less
>> than
>>>
>>>> 6
>>>> gallons (not counting sump) remaining. If I slow to 150 KTAS, that
gives
>>>> me
>>>> an hour total.
>>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>> My two sight gages are marked with gallons and are very accurate but are
a
>>> pain to see in flight. My totalizer is a great, very accurate real-time
>>> indicator but is worthless in the (rare) event of fuel loss due to leak
>> from
>>>
>>> filler caps or other. My capacitance fuel gage is not as accurate as the
>>> sight gages but provides me a "sanity check" on the totalizer. However,
>> the
>>> capacitance gage goes TU if I get a crappy batch of gas with water
and/or
>>> (?) ethanol.
>>>
>>> A passenger in the back seat can give me periodic sight-gage readings if
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Sid
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:15:26 -0500
> From: "Laurence Coen" <lwcoen at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Side-Stick
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> The Elite model has a structural center console but if DMO 094 is your
> serial number the that must be pre Elite. To be on the safe side I'd ask
> the factory if removing the console is OK.
>
> Larry Coen
> N136LC
>
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> From: "none" <markinchampions at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 10:37 AM
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Side-Stick
>
>>
>> Has anyone installed a non-Velocity kit side-stick on a Standard model?
>> This would give more room in the cabin if the console was removed.
>>
>>
>> DM0094
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 16:16:28 +0000
> From: Andrew Judge <ajudge at grovenetworks.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
> To: "'reflector at tvbf.org'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> No one has ever said anything about the sight gauges in my plane either. I
think the warning placards and huge experimental signs will catch their
attention much faster than the gauges.
>
> Andy Judge
> N55AJ - finished in 98
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Sat Jun 04 11:57:40 2011
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>
> I can get some pics when I'm back in town.
>
> I've never noticed anybody being concerned about the sight gages. I
> always point them out and tell them that those are the "never fail fuel
> gages" and are used to verify the electronic gages in the panel are
> working correctly and verification is done during the before engine
> start checklist. They like that!
>
> I don't know how good the Atkinson gages are, I've heard some had
> problems, one problem being they get dirty over time and are hard to
> read. I saw some in a 10 year old cozy and the sight glass was not easy
> to see through. Which with the tygon tube gage, is an easy fix. I also
> put a white round pellet made from micro in the tubes, too big to go
> through the brass fitting, small enough to travel up and down in the
> tube, that floats on the fuel. makes it even easier to see the gage.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
> From: Tom Falls <tomfalls6 at gmail.com>
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Date: 06/04/2011 11:45 AM
>
>> I like simple. Got any pictures? My one concern with the tubing is mostly
>> due to aesthetics. I don't care for the look of them, but I also think
>> non-flyers/technical types will not get a warm fuzzy feeling sitting
>> elbow-to-elbow with the fuel plumbing, having just heard me tell them
that
>> this is a home built experimental. Yes I know the Atkinson gauges are the
>> same, but the connotation to newbie flyers is completely different. I
want
>> to instill confidence in my non-flying friends that this plane I built
with
>> my own 2 hands is (will be) a safe plane.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 10:34 AM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>>
>> I have sight gages and cap fuel sensors in the mains hooked up to a
>> Dynon EMS.
>>
>> My sight gages are the factory, 90 degree brass fittings with tubing for
>> the see through part. I love um. Simple, simple simple. I use Tygon
>> clear Laboratory quality tubing, thick wall. Its tough stuff! When the
>> tubing starts getting dirty on the inside and it does, about every 4
>> years. I wack off a couple more 6 inch pieces of my lifetime 6 ft roll
>> and swap them out. Thy now look brand new!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>> From: Tom Falls<tomfalls6 at gmail.com>
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'<reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Date: 06/04/2011 10:12 AM
>>
>>> Being a genuine certified coward, I certainly plan on using Kurt's
advice
>> to
>>> THINK ahead and measure fuel on the ground and calculate
>> time-in-the-tanks.
>>> Continuing on that thought, I am installing a capacitance fuel gauge in
>> each
>>> tank feeding a Dynon for low fuel alert, plus Atkinson Fuel Sight Gauges
>> on
>>> each as well to give me assurances that nothing has gone wrong during
>>> flight. Based on all your inputs I'm leaning strongly away from
installing
>> a
>>> sensor on the sump. I can always add it later, but it doesn't seem to
add
>>> much safety while at the same time potentially adding a distraction if
>> false
>>> alarms are an ongoing issue as others have reported.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>> Behalf Of sbjknox
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 6:45 AM
>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Al Gietzen"<ALVentures at cox.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>> My sump (SE RG) measured at 2.3 ga. Yes; the fuel warning there is
>> pretty
>>>> much a 'too late!' light; so you need something else. I have a
>>>> capacitance
>>>> probe on one side that reads out on the EM, and had the sight-gauge (no
>>>> longer works) on the other. I like to measure the fuel in the tanks
with
>>>> the old-fashioned calibrated stick; then set the totalizer and have it
>>>> keep
>>>> track of usage. The readout will begin blinking when it gets to less
>> than
>>>
>>>> 6
>>>> gallons (not counting sump) remaining. If I slow to 150 KTAS, that
gives
>>>> me
>>>> an hour total.
>>>> Al
>>>
>>>
>>> My two sight gages are marked with gallons and are very accurate but are
a
>>> pain to see in flight. My totalizer is a great, very accurate real-time
>>> indicator but is worthless in the (rare) event of fuel loss due to leak
>> from
>>>
>>> filler caps or other. My capacitance fuel gage is not as accurate as the
>>> sight gages but provides me a "sanity check" on the totalizer. However,
>> the
>>> capacitance gage goes TU if I get a crappy batch of gas with water
and/or
>>> (?) ethanol.
>>>
>>> A passenger in the back seat can give me periodic sight-gage readings if
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Sid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> To change your email address, visit
>>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
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>>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 12:38:25 -0400
> From: Glenn Babcock <glennbabcock at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> I've never had anyone ask about the site gauges, and I give lots of rides
to people at our fly-ins.
>
> I'm adding backlights and a removable cover to make them easier to read at
night and improve the look, but I've been flying since 2005 with the factory
sight gauges and no issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn
> N697RG
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Andrew Judge <ajudge at grovenetworks.com>
wrote:
>
>> No one has ever said anything about the sight gauges in my plane either.
I think the warning placards and huge experimental signs will catch their
attention much faster than the gauges.
>>
>> Andy Judge
>> N55AJ - finished in 98
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org <reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Sat Jun 04 11:57:40 2011
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>>
>> I can get some pics when I'm back in town.
>>
>> I've never noticed anybody being concerned about the sight gages. I
>> always point them out and tell them that those are the "never fail fuel
>> gages" and are used to verify the electronic gages in the panel are
>> working correctly and verification is done during the before engine
>> start checklist. They like that!
>>
>> I don't know how good the Atkinson gages are, I've heard some had
>> problems, one problem being they get dirty over time and are hard to
>> read. I saw some in a 10 year old cozy and the sight glass was not easy
>> to see through. Which with the tygon tube gage, is an easy fix. I also
>> put a white round pellet made from micro in the tubes, too big to go
>> through the brass fitting, small enough to travel up and down in the
>> tube, that floats on the fuel. makes it even easier to see the gage.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Low fuel warning, (was) SERG Fuel Lines
>> From: Tom Falls <tomfalls6 at gmail.com>
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Date: 06/04/2011 11:45 AM
>>
>>> I like simple. Got any pictures? My one concern with the tubing is
mostly
>>> due to aesthetics. I don't care for the look of them, but I also think
>>> non-flyers/technical types will not get a warm fuzzy feeling sitting
>
>
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