REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw

[Scott Derrick]

Oh,  I'd toss the AC.  Wasted weight and space for the limited benefit.

Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net> wrote:

>Yeah I posed that question earlier but didn't get an answer as to the 1300 lbs being with a 320 or 360.
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 9:17 PM, "Kevin Baker" <flykb at verizon.net<mailto:flykb at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>One thing to think about is the 1300# number.
>One question would be to folks flying std io360 .. What are their actual weights.
>I would assume you would find most over the factory number by some amount
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>Thanks
>Kevin
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 18:17, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
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>I believe the entire A/C system is just over 40lbs. The turbo is right at 30lbs and replaces a muffler.
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>The PSRU is 40 but is included when comparing a rotary to a lyc 360. Radiator is not. I do have a duel electrical system; two alternators, one is 7lbs and the other is 13lbs iirc. Two batteries up front. All via Bob Knuckles Z-14 plans.
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>I expected it to be heavier than 1300 but not by this much. I mean 350lbs...really...REALLY!
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Alex Balic" <velocity_pilot at verizon.net<mailto:velocity_pilot at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>How much does the aircon system weigh?
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>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
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>Nope. No soundproofing.
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:45 PM, "Andrew Judge" <ajudge at grovenetworks.com<mailto:ajudge at grovenetworks.com>> wrote:
>Did you install the sounds proofing? If so, rip it out. It's heavy.
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>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw
>I am not sure of last calibration as the are borrowed. I did zero them out and weighed more than once.
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>Ok. Here is my raw number. 1645 lbs. Hell. That's a whole nuther engine.
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>Right rear = 799
>Left rear = 798
>Front = 48
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>I am beside myself, but plugging on. Just filled the sump with four gallons to fill.
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>I am consciously rethinking every step over the last 9.5 years and at a loss. 100, 150 lbs maybe, but 350!!!!!!??????!!!!!  I wouldn't had believed I could be thi friggin incompetent.
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>Oh, fyi, this is a fixed gear.
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:13 PM, "Kevin Baker" <flykb at verizon.net<mailto:flykb at verizon.net>> wrote:
>We used a similar set
>Did you zero them out before putting the plane on?
>When we're they last calibrated?
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>Do you weight it more than one time ?
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>Thanks
>Kevin
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 16:48, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
>Proform electronic scales. P/N 67650. There are four heavy metal platforms with cable to a CPU with LCD display. Gives a nice read out of lbs or k and % of weight on each scale and a total of all four. The unused platform reads 0. When I stand on the forth scale it gives my individual weight (cuz I wasn't already discouraged enough) and ads that to the total of all four.
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>Seriously, we are not talking just a bit high. It is a lot. When the emotional impact subsides I am sure I will post it. No, I did not leave a dead body in the streaked and yes, the fuel is drained.
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>Chris
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>On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:39 PM, "steve korney" <s_korney at hotmail.com<mailto:s_korney at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>What kind of scales .....?
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>Steve
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>> Yeah, I do but not enough to explain this difference.
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>> On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:10 PM, "Mike Dawson" <medawson250 at yahoo.com<mailto:medawson250 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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>> > You probably have a radiator, water and cooling fan, not to mention, perhaps a load of avionics?
>> > Just a thought.
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>> > Michael E Dawson
>> > ATCI CFII
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>> > On Dec 17, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
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>> >> Is the factory empty weight on the SE with a 320 or a 360? I just weighed my project and I may have the heaviest ever built :-(. So much I am currently embarrassed to post my numbers. I am using a rotary which is supposed to be comparable to a 360. I also have a turbo and A/C which easily explains part of the weight above the standard 1300 lbs but not by any means all. Yikes.
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>> >> Chris
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>> >> On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:25 PM, "Laurence Coen" <lwcoen at hotmail.com<mailto:lwcoen at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> >>> SERG Franklin/IVO with paint and interior.
>> >>> Empty Weight = 1391 lbs
>> >>> CG = 126.9
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>> >>> Larry Coen
>> >>> N136LC
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>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:00 PM
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>> >>> Subject: REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw
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>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>> I was wondering what others are seeing as far as for a Velocity 173/LW Elite FG io-360 catto
>> >>>> Empty weight and empty cg
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>> >>>> Wanted to compare to mine as I just recently did a w&b and cg check.
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>> >>>> Thanks
>> >>>> Kevin Baker
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