REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw

Sat Dec 17 18:17:37 CST 2011

I believe the entire A/C system is just over 40lbs. The turbo is right at 30lbs and replaces a muffler.

The PSRU is 40 but is included when comparing a rotary to a lyc 360. Radiator is not. I do have a duel electrical system; two alternators, one is 7lbs and the other is 13lbs iirc. Two batteries up front. All via Bob Knuckles Z-14 plans.

I expected it to be heavier than 1300 but not by this much. I mean 350lbs...really...REALLY!

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On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Alex Balic" <velocity_pilot at verizon.net<mailto:velocity_pilot at verizon.net>> wrote:

How much does the aircon system weigh?

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Nope. No soundproofing.

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On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:45 PM, "Andrew Judge" <ajudge at grovenetworks.com<mailto:ajudge at grovenetworks.com>> wrote:
Did you install the sounds proofing? If so, rip it out. It's heavy.

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I am not sure of last calibration as the are borrowed. I did zero them out and weighed more than once.

Ok. Here is my raw number. 1645 lbs. Hell. That's a whole nuther engine.

Right rear = 799
Left rear = 798
Front = 48

I am beside myself, but plugging on. Just filled the sump with four gallons to fill.

I am consciously rethinking every step over the last 9.5 years and at a loss. 100, 150 lbs maybe, but 350!!!!!!??????!!!!!  I wouldn't had believed I could be thi friggin incompetent.

Oh, fyi, this is a fixed gear.

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On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:13 PM, "Kevin Baker" <flykb at verizon.net<mailto:flykb at verizon.net>> wrote:
We used a similar set
Did you zero them out before putting the plane on?
When we're they last calibrated?

Do you weight it more than one time ?

Thanks
Kevin

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On Dec 17, 2011, at 16:48, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
Proform electronic scales. P/N 67650. There are four heavy metal platforms with cable to a CPU with LCD display. Gives a nice read out of lbs or k and % of weight on each scale and a total of all four. The unused platform reads 0. When I stand on the forth scale it gives my individual weight (cuz I wasn't already discouraged enough) and ads that to the total of all four.

Seriously, we are not talking just a bit high. It is a lot. When the emotional impact subsides I am sure I will post it. No, I did not leave a dead body in the streaked and yes, the fuel is drained.

Chris
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On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:39 PM, "steve korney" <s_korney at hotmail.com<mailto:s_korney at hotmail.com>> wrote:
What kind of scales .....?

Steve
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> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:30:43 +0000
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> Yeah, I do but not enough to explain this difference.
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> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:10 PM, "Mike Dawson" <medawson250 at yahoo.com<mailto:medawson250 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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> > You probably have a radiator, water and cooling fan, not to mention, perhaps a load of avionics?
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Michael E Dawson
> > ATCI CFII
> >
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2011, at 1:55 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber at texasattorney.net<mailto:cbarber at texasattorney.net>> wrote:
> >
> >> Is the factory empty weight on the SE with a 320 or a 360? I just weighed my project and I may have the heaviest ever built :-(. So much I am currently embarrassed to post my numbers. I am using a rotary which is supposed to be comparable to a 360. I also have a turbo and A/C which easily explains part of the weight above the standard 1300 lbs but not by any means all. Yikes.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone 4
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> >> On Dec 14, 2011, at 9:25 PM, "Laurence Coen" <lwcoen at hotmail.com<mailto:lwcoen at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> SERG Franklin/IVO with paint and interior.
> >>> Empty Weight = 1391 lbs
> >>> CG = 126.9
> >>>
> >>> Larry Coen
> >>> N136LC
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>> From: "Kevin Baker" <flykb at verizon.net<mailto:flykb at verizon.net>>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:00 PM
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> >>> Subject: REFLECTOR: empty w&b elite FG 173/lw
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> I was wondering what others are seeing as far as for a Velocity 173/LW Elite FG io-360 catto
> >>>> Empty weight and empty cg
> >>>>
> >>>> Wanted to compare to mine as I just recently did a w&b and cg check.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> Kevin Baker
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