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Mon Nov 1 15:18:15 CDT 2010
O2 sensor and then the ECM can only run the pre-mapped mode. Hope I am
incorrect on this.
Jerry Brainard
Jerry at JLBEnt.com
-------Original Message-------
From: Andy Millin
To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed 172
Sent: Nov 10 '10 9:46am
Hey Bob,
I'm sure he is a nice guy and he is doing good work. I am leery of anyone
that claims their engine will use half the fuel. I have yet to see an auto
conversion that has a better BSFC than an aircraft engine. Especially when
an electronic ignition is added and an EIS is used to run LOP.
I know you have to toot your own horn for marketing, but. it would be nice
to see a new engine developer under promise and over deliver (or just
deliver).
I do wish him the best of luck.
Andy
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org?> ] On Behalf Of Bob Jackson
Sent: 11-09-2010 9:01
To: 'Velocity'; 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed 172
Al Aden and his Quiet Aviation company are located at the Orlando Apopka
airport, just a few hangars away from us. Al's a good guy, knows what he's
doing, and I believe he will have his STC approved for this engine on C172's
by next summer.
Bob Jackson
N2XF
Orlando Apopka Airport (X04)
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Subject: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed 172
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D'>Erik,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>How many airplanes are flying with a Geared Drives =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] <b>On =
Behalf Of </b>Erik Franks<br><b>Sent:</b> 11-12-2010 1:44<br><b>To:</b> =
Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed 172<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Geared Drives suggests that if you use =
any avgas to change your O2 sensor every 100 hours. They state that they =
haven't had an O2 sensor go bad but as preventative maintenance to =
replace it. There's a check engine light in the cabin to let you know if =
there's any issue including a bad O2. They state that the only =
indication of a fouled O2 is higher than average fuel consumption due to =
the fall back mapping.<br>The ECU is great for hot starts and starting =
every time. You just hit the button and bam, beautiful airplane =
noise.<br clear=3Dall>-Erik Franks =
512-553-5040<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Nov =
12, 2010 at 9:14 AM, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:nmflyer1 at aol.com">nmflyer1 at aol.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J=
erry, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Y=
ou are <i>mostlyI correct. </i>That's another reason that I did not use =
a processor or O2 sensor in my Chevy install. They do have new wide band =
O2 sensors that are more tollerant of lead, but not completely. I'm =
curious if the use of that TCP stuff knocks the lead content down to a =
managable level for the sensors. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
f course, if the ship is built to handle that worthless ethanol enhanced =
fuel, and you have a way to transport it, it would work OK at home base. =
It is getting harder & harder to find MoGas at airports across the =
country now days. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>W=
e shall see :) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;Kurt <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-=
----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:jerry at jlbent.com" =
target=3D"_blank">jerry at jlbent.com</a><br>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners =
and Builders list <<a href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">reflector at tvbf.org</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 =
9:57 am<br>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed =
172<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>O=
ne other area of concern. I read that they are using the Oxygen =
sensor. From what I have read that means NO Avgas. The lead =
in the 100LL fouls the O2 sensor and then the ECM can only run =
the pre-mapped mode. Hope I am incorrect on =
this. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J=
erry Brainard<br><a href=3D"mailto:Jerry at JLBEnt.com" =
target=3D"_blank">Jerry at JLBEnt.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D7 =
cellpadding=3D0><tr><td style=3D'background:#789BE0;padding:.75pt .75pt =
.75pt .75pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></td><td =
style=3D'padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-------Original Message-------<br>From: =
Andy Millin <br>To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' =
<br>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed 172<br>Sent: Nov 10 =
'10 9:46am<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hey Bob,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I’m sure he is =
a nice guy and he is doing good work. I am leery of anyone that =
claims their engine will use half the fuel. I have yet to see an =
auto conversion that has a better BSFC than an aircraft engine. =
Especially when an electronic ignition is added and an EIS is used to =
run LOP.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I know you have to =
toot your own horn for marketing, but… it would be nice to =
see a new engine developer under promise and over deliver (or just =
deliver).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I do wish him the =
best of luck.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">reflector-bounces at tvbf.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org?" =
target=3D"_blank">mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Bob Jackson<br><b>Sent:</b> 11-09-2010 9:01<br><b>To:</b> =
'Velocity'; 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders =
list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed =
172</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Al Aden and his Quiet =
Aviation company are located at the Orlando Apopka airport, just a few =
hangars away from us. Al's a good guy, knows what he's doing, and =
I believe he will have his STC approved for this engine on C172's by =
next summer.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Bob =
Jackson</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>N2XF</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Orlando Apopka =
Airport (X04)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">reflector-bounces at tvbf.org</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org?" =
target=3D"_blank">mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Velocity<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:23 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> REFLECTOR: Auto engine installed =
172</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a href=3D"http://www.quietaviation.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.quietaviation.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><=
/div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
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