REFLECTOR: Making Velocities easier to builld

Fri Oct 2 11:46:40 CDT 2009

I know that there are more than a couple of RV builders that do that- I
think that they just sell "partially completed kits" as it were- not sure
how they get around the legalities, but it is done every day- you can go
onto barnstormers and buy 90% complete kits for just about every
manufacturer- most of them are just folks that gave up on building their
kits, but not all of them.. I think the key is that the assist builder is
also the original purchaser- not a hired gun that does the work for the
original purchaser

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Dean Unterreiner
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:39 AM
To: Reflector
Subject: REFLECTOR: Making Velocities easier to builld

Would appreciate any comments on the legality of building kits, wings, ect
for profit. I have heard of several people assembling kits for others and
charging for their work.
Dean Unterreiner

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> 1. Factory Support (Rene Dugas)
> 2. Re: Factory Support (Lawrence Epstein)
> 3. Re: Making Velocities easier to build? (John Tvedte)
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> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:06:52 -0500
> From: "Rene Dugas" <dugasd at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Factory Support
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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> Folks might get bored by my many stories of Fantastic Factory Support
> (stranded in Billings, Montana)but they are my long distance family now
> since I adopted them in 1995 after my factory demo flight with Dwayne S.
> (We passed a Piper Arrow like it was standing still - Loved it.)
> 
> Have they gotten everything right all the time - no, but I haven't either
> (three sets of nose gear doors.) Occasional missing part- yep. Still love
> 'em. These are gutsy dedicated guys who have stuck with a bunch of weird
> aviation enthusiasts and builders for many years. They have politely taken
> abuse and suggestions and done what THEY thought best. We still have them
> and a great aircraft. Building is a frustrating elongated activity. 
> 
> I say Hip Hip Hurrah.
> 
> I'm not saying don't be persistent when mistakes occur but ALWAYS remember
> most of us could not walk in their shoes.
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> Lovingly,
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> Rene' Dugas, MD
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> XL RG
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> 6 year 6000 hr build
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> Flying for 6 years and enjoying 99.999%.
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> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:54:58 -0400
> From: Lawrence Epstein <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Factory Support
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> Amen to that. (Just make sure you get to the Brotts before Ken)
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> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:35 PM, victor taylor
<velocityoner at yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > I am sure that all business have mistakes from time to time and that
> > Velocity is no different. However I can tell you that through the 17
years
> > that I have delt with them they have bent over backwards to do the right
> > thing for me. While on a very few occations the person that I wanted to
talk
> > to was out of the office or busy they have never failed to get back with
me
> > in a timely manor.
> > Just recently I got the wrong bearings, which was probably my fault to
> > begin with. I called and talked to Ken and the problem was fixed that
day.
> >
> > Scott Baker is the type of guy that if he is wrong he will quickly admit
it
> > and do his best to correct it. I think if you give Scott the chance to
make
> > it right you won't be dissapointed.
> >
> > Victor Taylor
> > N93DV
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> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:08:58 -0500
> From: John Tvedte <johnt at comp-sol.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Making Velocities easier to build?
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> I think a little constructive criticism should be welcomed.
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> I have had exemplar support from the factory. I don't claim to have needed
anything special, but have always been treated well. I have also visited the
factory on a number of occasions, given an impromptu tour, as well as had
quite a bit of time given to me to discuss installation issues, show me
examples, etc., always very much appreciated.
> 
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> 
> Insurance of consistent QC is always a challenge - requiring continuous
attention and intervention when problems are identified.
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> 
> Attached is one example of a part I elected to replace; the brake caliper
shim. The Matco axles are machined so the top bolts are smaller diameter
than the bottom bolts. This is done because when landing, the bottom bolts
will be in tension, and for weight savings. The shims provide for the
correct caliper spacing for the Cleveland brake upgrade, but had all 4 holes
drilled to the larger bolt size.
> 
> 
> 
> Another example, the canard cuffs were about 1"+ too short - so I had to
feather additional glass.
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> 
> Or having to fix the trailing edge of the elevators - glass was not
bonded.
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> Or an 'improvement' like changing the bolt location on the toe-brake
system (where the rudder bracket is attached) - for more clearance of the
Matco brake cylinders.
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