REFLECTOR: Pitch trim and pitch stability.

[Douglas Holub]

So if I can still roll crisply with authority at max aft C.G. while the canard is porpoising, I've got some deep stall margin. 

I learned at the factory checkout that the Velocity rolls better using the rudders when the speed is less than 90 kts, but I find that mine rolls just fine with the ailerons all the way to touch down. I've got V.G.s.

Doug
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alex Balic 
  To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' 
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Pitch trim and pitch stability.


  If it were to do so, it should start to feel sloppy and loose- but if your canard is still pulling and the main wing is letting go, you would be in some pretty big trouble...

   


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  From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Holub
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:27 PM
  To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Pitch trim and pitch stability.

   

  How are you able to tell when your main wing will stall?

   

  Doug Holub

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Al Gietzen 

    To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' 

    Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:39 PM

    Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Pitch trim and pitch stability.

     

    There are two basic areas that builders are struggling with.  First is having more than enough up trim and not enough down trim.  A change in the spring torque tube attach to give more down trim and less up trim is likely the simplest solution.  A more difficult problem is lack of trim range.  This is the situation if you have enough up trim, there isn't enough down trim and visa versa. The increased flight envelope from minimum to maximum speed is likely the culprit here.  A longer linear actuator or a stiffer spring could help.  I don't like the idea of reducing the incidence angle of the canard unless it was set wrong in the first place.  The unintended consequences are reduced pitch stability, increased stall speed and rotate speed.

     

    It may not be important, but this may need some qualification. I expect that even if set correctly, reduction in the canard incidence (AOA) can decrease stall speed.  It is deliberately higher than minimum stall to ensure stall before the wing. The bad consequence would be when the wing stalled before the canard.  And it's a bit complex because it is not a fixed airfoil - shape changes with elevator position.

     

    Mine was set "correctly" according to the incidence gauge, but the incidence gauge is only correct for the factory canard; not for the Alan Shaw canard. Reducing the incidence about a degree reduced the stall and rotate speeds.  My flight experience suggests I still have good margin of canard stall before wing stall - could possibly reduce incidence a bit further; but doubt I ever will.

     

    Al


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