REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
David
n350tx at att.net
Sun Nov 8 16:45:47 CST 2009
I have been running a MT prop since 2004 and have not had any Maintenance
costs on the prop. I am running a Chevy V-8.
Dave B
N350TX
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From: Keith Hallsten
Date: 11/8/2009 4:38:14 PM
To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
It’s pretty hard to fault Rene’s logic here. It is an indisputable fact
that the AeroComposites prop is much more reliable and durable (damage
resistant) than the MT.
In addition, AeroComposites has been widely reported to be very
customer-friendly, while MT has produced numerous reports of customer
service problems (unhappy customers). So the real question is, how does the
actual cost of ownership compare? I suspect that one you have paid to have
your MT fixed a couple of times you will find that it would have been
cheaper to just buy a better prop in the first place.
I’m actually going with a fixed-pitch Catto, so I don’t have a dog in the
hunt as far as CS props go. Like the AeroComposites, the Catto props are
reputed to be very damage-resistant, which is a key consideration when the
prop follows, rather than precedes, the airframe.
Keith Hallsten
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Rene Dugas
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:35 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
I asked myself what item's failure would kill my family or friends? The
list was long but what big items would I be embarassed about or worse, to
have skimped on? My answers: Engine - remanufactured 0 time Lycoming
IO-540, Garmin GPS and Com and the best prop I can afford. The Garmin 430
was $13,000 back when purchased it so the AeroComposite was only slightly
higher than the new MT I flew for over three hundred hours. The MT was
always beat up and I repaired it five times and repainted six times and had
it totally rebuilt before I sold it because I was not comfortable selling it
as is. I then asked myself why I tolerated the MT so long? Because before
the AC, it was the best I could do. We all ask these questions or should.
Our answers differ but we live or die as pilots on each one of these. My
family knows I build and fly with the best I can get and if I am found in a
smoking hole it was probably my flying skills and not the plane or purchases
that got me there.
Your mileage will vary but three thousand more for the best I can get is
certainly reasonable to me.
When I wrote the check I felt the pain but I'm still glad I did it. Please
check out the web site. It may be better than insurance.
Rene' Dugas
Sent from my iPhone 3GS
On Nov 8, 2009, at 2:49 PM, "Lou Stedman" <stedmanlou at roadrunner.com> wrote:
I agree. 15K for 8 knots?
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Ellzey
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
Thats a lot of money to spend for a prop.
Andy
From: Rene Dugas <dugasd at bellsouth.net>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 5:33:29 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
I think mine was 15 k. Lead was 4 months years ago. Gained 500 ft min climb
and 8 knot at cruise. Blade cross section is much thinner and blades are
MUCH STONGER. I'm very pleased. I am unaware of specific testing for
harmonics with my io 540 260 hp.
Rene' Dugas
Sent from my iPhone 3GS
On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Andrew Ellzey <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Rene,
How much is a hydraulic AeroComposite prop for an XLRG 300hp IO540, and what
is the normal lead time for delivery? Is the cruse speeds comparable to the
MT. Has anyone done a harmonic vibration analysis on this prop airframe
combination.
Andy Ellzey
From: Rene Dugas <dugasd at bellsouth.net>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 7:12:30 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
I did the reverse.
Rene’
pics
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Darrell & Nora Kufalk
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 5:02 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
I like my AeroComposites prop so much, I painted my entire airplane to match
it. :)
110 hours and going strong.
Darrell
----- Original Message -----
From: Rene Dugas
To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
Love my AeroComposite. Please consider one.
Rene’
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Jmbmitch33
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:12 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
I need a hydrolic MT and the MT that I was using has been working fine for
just over 500+ hours. If yours is hydrolic, what would you take for me to
sweep it off your floor??..lol. I would like to call you if you could give
me your number...
Thanks
Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: HYTEC45 at aol.com
To: reflector at tvbf.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PUSHER PROP
In a message dated 11/3/2009 6:10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Jmbmitch33 at comcast.net writes:
Hello everyone, looking for a MT 3 blade prop for a LYC IO360....any advice
on where to look without breaking the bank?......Or, does anyone have
another brand they like other than MT??
Thanks
M.Brown
What type, electric or hydraulic? Is the engine counterweighted? I have
invested over 18K in my mt for my IO-360-C1C over the past 8 years with
still no workable prop. It sits again on my hanger floor fresh from
overhaul with new blades and that is where it will stay. Even though it's
zero time at this point, I could not sleep at night pushing it off on
someone. I have come to the conclusion that the 180' firing pulses on the
360 (200hp) without counterweights are to violent for the bearing/seal
design of the mt as this is what fails after approximately 40-50 hours.
Run Forest; Run!!
A friend with a cozy running a IO-360 is running the Aerocomposit with good
results.
FYI,
TEC
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