REFLECTOR: re;Velocity records

Fri Jun 12 11:34:53 CDT 2009

So far, the only records I am setting with the Deltahawk are construction
time and wait time for an engine! ;-)

Larry Epstein

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Barnes
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:24 PM
To: Velocity Reflector
Cc: jschuber at juno.com
Subject: REFLECTOR: CSA erratum

Hi Folks, 

     I got this from Terry to set the record setting record straight (that
was fun). Current record holder is Jim Price (not Jim Wright, an 8th grade
friend of mine). Terry's email address is corrected.

     A big thing here is Terry's belief there are a records that can be
grabbed by Velocities - altho as far as altitude, better set them now b/4
the DeltaHawk does - for you history buffs, I think I recall an old posting
from JP Brooks about wanting to set an FAI altitude record. The Deltahawk
puts out 100% at 14000 feet. 

Regards,

Jeff Barnes

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--- On Thu, 6/11/09, jschuber at juno.com <jschuber at juno.com> wrote:

From: jschuber at juno.com <jschuber at juno.com>
Subject: 
To: jcbarnes411 at sbcglobal.net
Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:45 PM

Dear Jeff,

You Velocity guys should look at the World record categories as well as the
FuelVenture at Copperstate.  Those records are by weight so you competing
against 182s and such I imagine.  I don't know what your gross weight is.
Classes are 250 kg, 500 Kg, 750kg, 1000kg, etc.

Thank you for the very nice comments about CSA.  I didn't get your e-mail
since my address is jschuber at juno.com
<http://us.mc832.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jschuber@juno.com> 

That was very nice to hear I had held the altitude record once too but
actually I just set up my Long-EZ for it and Norm Howell flew the record.

The altitude record history is interesting.  World records are established
by weight and not necessarily by equipment (turbo or not).  The C1a category
is for piston engine aircraft 250-500 kg (max gross is 1102 pounds).  My
O-235 Long-EZ, piloted by Norm Howell got the 25,160' altitude in horizontal
flight record in 1989.  

A couple years later David Timms got his O-290 C1a Long-EZ up to about 28K
for a new record.  

Then Hoot Gibson built up a special Cassutt to get the C1a record up to
about 31K.  

Finally Jim Price stripped EVERYTHING out of his O-320 Long-EZ (remember -
you have to be under 1102 pounds at take off) and got to over 35,000 feet
about 10 years ago.  That record was also higher than the existing altitude
of the C1b (500-1000 kg - 2205 lbs) class.  He could not apply for it though
since he'd signed up for the C1a class.

Jim had to fly below the Long-EZ's normal canard stall speed so he developed
the VGs & placement presently used on the main wing and canard to lower take
off & climb speed in our airplanes. His documentation was done in the U of
MI wind tunnel

Jim has held the C1a class record for some time and it is likely he will
continue to keep it as 35K+ is a far different world than the 20s we
sometimes aspire to. 

I imagine Velocities would fall into the C1b (2205 lb category) if anybody
is interested in getting a record for their Velocity.  (See National
Aeronautic Association and Federation Aeronautique Internationale.)

Velocities have a LOT of potential there, perhaps it is time to set some
world records.

Fly safely,

Terry Schubert

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