REFLECTOR: CSA

Thu Jun 11 16:29:07 CDT 2009

Hey Jeff,

>>  based on the second-hand remark of 1 person (who may or may not have put
away a beer or two - I don't know the specific circumstance). Is that a fair
judgement to make ?  

Not second hand, first hand; and  I really don't drink and so would not have
had beer, wine or other.

>>   ACTUALLY, is there a compelling reason the Velocity cookout couldn't be
held on Tuesday so we could all enjoy both cookouts (and still get to Vision
of Eagles on Thursday nite) ?

I really can't do that.  I put the announcement out over a month ago and
have taken many RSVPs.  I put the information out early so people can make
plans.  Also so I could make my plans.  Putting on a cookout 300 miles from
home is not a trivial task.

Every year it is a challenge as I believe everyone would like to make it to
the cookout.  There are always a number of people that will be leaving
before  --or--  arriving too late to attend.  Changing the date would not be
fair.  I would not expect the CSA to change their date to accommodate us
either.  They have plans.

My comments on this subject were aimed at the class differences within the
canard community.  They were never directed at the CSA.  As far as I know it
is a wonderful organization.

Class differences are not unique to canards.  The guy that designs and
builds his own plane looks at other builders as lemmings.  The plans builder
looks at the kit builder as a cheater.  The kit builder is a suave, good
hearted person with a great sense of life balance and is usually ahead of
the curve intellectually.  The guy that buys a flying Experimental looks at
all of us as a bunch of hard core nut jobs.

I'm sure the same thing exits between the 152, 172 and 182 drivers.

As for me, I think all airplanes are beautiful.  Please give me a ride!

Andy

From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of jcbarnes411 at sbcglobal.net
Sent: 06-11-2009 4:28
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Cc: Jshuber at juno.com
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: CSA

Hi Folks,

         I'm pleased Lou went to the length he did to set the record
straight, and glad Terry was able to respond as well as he did. I've been
following this thread and thought Lou was starting to sound like a voice in
the wilderness - he'd be saying all this good stuff, and no-one even
acknowledged it. If you don't already know, I believe Terry held non-turbo
altitude record for class (in a LEZ) before Jim Wright (also a LEZ) took it
over. 

        Some folks have expressed a strong negative bias against a great
group of fellow aviators based on the second-hand remark of 1 person (who
may or may not have put away a beer or two - I don't know the specific
circumstance). Is that a fair judgement to make ?  

       Granted, some of the commentary has been very funny, but certainly
not to be taken seriously.

        I've been a CSA member as long as I've been a Velocity owner, though
I missed paying the dues for a year or two here and there.  That membership
was on the express recommendation from Duane Swing and the factory itself.
CSA is a great family, especially if you are downed in some foriegn
airfield. 

        Thanks to CSA and relationships built up from canard-aviators yahoo
group, when Rene Dugas was down in Billings MT, I was able to get a LEZ
builder and A&P just a 2 hour flight away from Rene to be on deck in case he
needed supplies or assistance.  He didn't need it, but you never know when
you'll need a die grinder, some glass or carbon wraps and a couple jugs of
West Systems or EZ-poxy.

        When Rich Guerra cracked a nose gear gusset at OSH who came to his
aid ?  Steve Beert, co-chair of the Oshkosh ermergency repair center, former
President of Iowa EAA Chapter 75, LEZ builder and CSA member.

        Thanks to yahoo group canard-aviators, a de facto extension of CSA,
downed Israeli Cozy pilot in Iceland nearly had a new landing gear
hand-delivered by ferry pilots out of Bangor Maine, though at last minute he
opted for Federal express as a sure thing, even though they couldn't get
there until a day later than the ferry pilot could.

        They also have a big hand in the Kanud Utah air races, Fuel Venture,
Canards de Mayo, Jakpot, etc, places sorely needing greater Velocity
participation, and exactly the places you guys would want as fly-out
destinations. I haven't done the math, but I haven't seen any clear reason a
Velocity couldn't win a Fuel-Venture.

        So if you think the CSA is just about hot dogs and hamburgers at
Oshkosh with some guys in wimpier aircraft in a time slot conflicting with
the great Annual Velocity Cookout tha Andy has been hosting, think again.
They also server chili, chips, and sodas !  

       ACTUALLY, is there a compelling reason the Velocity cookout couldn't
be held on Tuesday so we could all enjoy both cookouts (and still get to
Vision of Eagles on Thursday nite) ?

       Last year I made the CSA cookout, the Ford Chapter Presidents
reception (they hand out good swag - somebody want to be my date this year
?), and finally the Velocity cookout (after missing all prior years). I was
pretty well fed, but had to miss the Wednesday Young Eagle Awards ceremony
at the museum - something I otherwise could have made if 1 of the other 3
had been scheduled on Tuesday or Thursday.

        I love both cookouts, but the CSA cookout has the added benefits
that the Aviation Explorers do the cooking and get their tip jar filled, but
moreover, a dedicated group of 14 to 21 year olds that do our aircraft
parking can mingle shoulder to shoulder with a seasoned gang of aviators who
enjoy passing down their wisdom. 

        If you're a young eagle pilot like me, you'll see the Aviation
Explorer program is one of the missing links to the question of where do the
kids go after their Young Eagle flights. If you want to get behind the
Aviation Explorer program, you can do so and get a belly full of dogs and
beans at the same time, Of course, you could also call your local BSA and
help start up or sponser a post. 

       Anyway, if you believe the next generation might be the only thing
protecting and preserving your right to fly in 5 or 10 years, you might see
a CSA membership (or just a plate of beans at their cookout) as a great way
to move that along.

       Whether we adjust the Velocity cookout schedule or not, Andy has
already gotten the vindication he deserves from CSA founder Terry Shubert
himself, and I hope we can all take up the initation to join and support the
CSA. And I haven't even got started on Rough River or a Rutan birthday party
yet.

        I know you're asking yourself how do I join the CSA ? Send a $30
check to Terry Shubert, 9283 Lindbergh Blvd, Olmsted Falls OHIO 44138, or
you can pay-pal $35 from links off of www.ez.org.

Regards,

Jeff Barnes

Velocity XL-RG virgin for sale

847-331-2567 cell

Pres, EAA Chapter 414

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Lou Stedman <stedmanlou at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Lou Stedman <stedmanlou at roadrunner.com>
Subject: REFLECTOR: CSA
To: "Reflector Velocity" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 9:55 PM

Hi Guys

I shared some of your constructive criticisms about the EZ group with Terry
Schubert who is the editor of the Central States Association newsletter.
Here is his response.

I can see why some Velocity folks have been offended/disappointed by their
treatment. I am disappointed but not surprised.  Every group has associates
who could improve on their substandard social skills. I can think of a few
who would fit the disappointing communication pattern you cited.
Fortunately, those are a small minority of the plans built canard family, I
assure you. 

Rough River is a CSA sponsored event and is open to ALL canard enthusiasts.
Many non-members show up each year.  They are all welcome and treated the
same as supporting CSA members.  Some guests disappoint and I am sorry
Velocity people or anyone else was subjected to any rude treatment.

Fortunately the vast majority of CSA people realize we are all canard pusher
enthusiasts and can profit by working together.  More than a few plans built
canard pusher owners are now Velocity owners.  I prefer to think we are all
driven by the same thing but have different ways of achieving the same
goals. That is healthy.  We can learn from each other.

I wish to invite Velocity enthusiasts to consider Central States Association
membership.  EZ-Taxi and Canard Club programs help travelers in need and
increase inner organization communication.

The 34 page quarterly newsletter is filled with maintenance, modification,
piloting techniques, travel experiences as well as other canard use items of
interest.  The world wide membership also allows for great diversity in
solving canard operation challenges.  You may be interested in perusing the
nearly 5000 article titles from past newsletters in the attached searchable
index.

I wish to invite you also to attend our OSH cookout held on Wed July 29 at
5:30-7 PM at the north end of OSH parking.  Contact me for directions.
jschuber at juno.com
<http://us.mc832.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jschuber@juno.com>   The
cookout is hosted by the Air Explorer post scouts that help park the OSH
arriving airplanes.  A $5 donation to the Explorer post is expected from
each attendee.  The canard company is fun and you have a chance to win a
door prize.  

For further information on problems such as understanding pusher cooling and
learning what DOES WORK perhaps you'd like to download the free Pusher
Cooling forum that was given at OSH.  It is available in PowerPoint with
MP-3 file for audio.  Go to EZ.org for pictures, related downloads and
information on joining CSA.  Should you wish to look at past pictures from
CSA Newsletters and want the issue password please contact me.
jschuber at juno.com
<http://us.mc832.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jschuber@juno.com>   

New drag reduction ideas are constantly being worked on by the membership
and they are offered in the newsletter.  Many of the typical pusher problems
have known solutions.  Many are illustrated in the newsletter.

Please consider looking at CSA.  I am sure closer association will benefit
us all.

Fly safely,

Terry Schubert

Lou Stedman
Velocity N7044Q
Olean, NY

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