REFLECTOR: Aileron control stick pound pull

Sat Jan 3 20:31:33 CST 2009

Jack
   As Scott Baker mentioned don't try to fix the problem  before it actually 
is one. The stick control is so much lighter in flight. I  don't know if it is 
from the vibrations in the airframe of the air loads on the  control 
surfaces, but it gets a lot better when flying and looser with hours.  Just make sure 
everything is secure and nothing is dragging (except the cables).  I have seen 
that the trim springs will not overcome the drag on the ground but  work 
perfect in flight.
    Using a light oil (3-in-1) in the past,  I found that the cables start to 
stick. They actually stick so bad that  they would make a vibration noise 
internally. In the cold they also get a  sluggish feel. Since that, I used 
"Blaster TDL (the dry lube) with PTFE". It  took the drag out by near 50%??? of what 
the oil did. I would imagine that  any PTFE spray would work. Maybe someone 
else knows of something  better.
       Ken

In a message dated 1/3/2009 8:38:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jackprock at comcast.net writes:

I've tried installing mine a few times. The force  without the cables 
installed is non-existent. Once I connect
up the two cables, the return springs can't even bring  them back to center. 
I talked to the factory
about it a while back and they said to remove the dust  covers on the ends 
that are going to be inside...
they aren't needed. I also went and reamed out the dust  covers that are 
going to be in the engine
compartment. They are better, but still not great. My  next idea is to use 
cable grease. I haven't 
done anything towards that, but just an idea at this  point.

Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Jeff Howell_ (mailto:jeffreyhowell at hotmail.com)  
To: _reflector at tvbf.org_ (mailto:reflector at tvbf.org)  
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:56  PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron control  stick pound pull

I just installed my cables and I have alot of friction as  well. probably 
more than 2 pounds... My cables are also 90" long wich is  considerably longer 
than the 54" useing currently. thanx  Jeff 

> From: _sbakr at comcast.net_ (mailto:sbakr at comcast.net) 
> To: _reflector at tvbf.org_ (mailto:reflector at tvbf.org) 
> Date: Sat, 3  Jan 2009 08:05:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron control  stick pound pull
> 
> Hello Andy,
> Confirm the ailerons  have freedom of movement with the cables 
disconnected. 
> Make sure  the foam core does not interefer with the 6' long aileron torque 
>  tube inside the wing.
> The aileron push-pull cables will have more  internal friction when they 
are 
> new. The tightness of the dust caps  contributes to this. The friction 
> caused by the dust caps will  become less over time. When routing the 
> push-pull cables, make as  wide a bend as possible when turning the cables 
> from the whale tale  through the firewall. Too tight of a radius will cause 
> internal  friction.
> Note that stick force feel is different in the air than on  the ground. 
> Depending upon the tightness of the ailron trim spring,  the ailerons can 
> feel somewhat stiff on the ground - but feel great  during flight.
> My advise not to worry about the 2# aileron stick  force for now. Fly the 
> aircraft and fine tune your determinations.  The aileron control motion of 
> the stick should be smooth - no  binding action.
> Happy New Year!
> Scott B.
> 
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Ellzey"  <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and  Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Cc:  <scottb at velocityaircraft.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009  5:22 PM
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aileron control stick pound pull
>  
> 
> I just completed rigging my aileron's and would like to  know what pound 
pull 
> should be expected on the control stick. Using  a cheep fish scale for a 
pull 
> gage I am getting about a 2lb pull  needed for the first 1 inch of aileron 
> travel and then a gradual  increase to about 4lbs for full deflection. I 
have 
> an XLRG with the  cut down keel mod so my bell cranks are rigged 
accordingly 
>  (Velocity XL-5 Rigging). The 2lb pull is the best that I have been able to 

> achieve and haven't lubed anything yet. It seems to me that the  push pull 
> cables should have been shorter to reduce the radius of  the bend as it 
> travels through the gear bulkheads. My push pull  cables are 60 inches 
long. 
> Was I supposed to receive shorter cables  with the cut down keel mod? Is 
> there anyone on the reflector with  the -5 option that hasn't installed 
their 
> push pull aileron cables  that could measure their cables?
> 
> The manual calls for white  grease under the rubber cups, has anyone found 
> anything better? And  yes, I reamed my rubber cups to reduce or completely 
> eliminate any  drag from the rubber wipers of the cups. I know that some 
say 
> to  completely remove the inboard cups, but if you do this the plastic 
guide  
> that is under the cups doesn't stay in place without the cups to  hold them.
> 
> I took the factory demo ride before I bought my  kit in 2005, and I don't 
> remember the aileron pull to be this  stiff. What I remember was a very 
light 
> touch needed to fly the  factory XLRG.
> 
> Andy Ellzey
> XLRG
> 
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