REFLECTOR: Ivo and Vesta

Scott Derrick scott at tnstaafl.net
Mon Apr 27 16:34:19 CDT 2009


Alex, I think your right.  Somebody else mentioned the redrive, because
it doubles the pulses and uses a belt that absorbs a lot of the pulse.

Scott

Alex Balic wrote:
> Scott,
> One thing to keep in mind with your comparison is that the V6 probably is
> running with a Re-drive- (2:1) so you have about 6 power pulses per
> revolution of the prop vs. just 3 on the 6 continental and just 2 on a 4
> cylinder Lycoming. Also- most of the PSRU's have some type of internal
> damper- mine has clutch-type springs, some have rubber shocks in there, or
> run with a belt or hy-vo chain so added up, there is a big difference, even
> before talking about balance of the engine.
>
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Ivo and Vesta
>
> Kurt,
>
>     I wonder whats the difference in power pulses between a Chevy  V6
> and a Continental flat 6?  Why does one hammer a prop and the other not? 
>
> Scott
>
> nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
>   
>> Mike,
>>
>> That is good to hear!  After asking me tons of questions and carefully
>> considering my setup, IVO said they would provide me a prop that would
>> meet my needs. I have a 76" Magnum CS. I have not put it on yet
>> because I want to get my painting done first.
>>
>> In fact, IVO Co. called me a while back just to make sure I was happy
>> with the prop.. and I have had it on the shelf for years!.
>>
>> Hopefully it will be the right setup for my powerplant and provide me
>> service like yours.
>>
>> Kurt
>> 340HP Aluminum 4.3L V-6
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:53 am
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Ivo and Vesta
>>
>> I've been running a IVO Magnum Electric Constant speed prop on a
>> Franklin (Std Elite RG) for ten years plus. Sent back twice for check up
>> and refreshing. They are tough as nails, handles FOD well and as long
>> as Ivo's maintenance instructions are followed,  seems to last thousands
>> of hours.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Andy Millin <amillin at sbcglobal.net
>> <mailto:amillin at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hey Larry,
>>      
>>     Believe it or not, I did a fair amount of research on the Ivo.  I
>>     wanted to use the Ivo.  I gave the guy a call and we spoke for
>>     nearly an hour.
>>      
>>     Way back in the day Mark Machado had mounted an Ivo on a standard
>>     with an IO-360.  He was VERY impressed with the performance.   I
>>     believe the write up was in Velocity Views.  It sounded like it
>>     was going to be better than sliced bread AND peanut butter.  It is
>>     a real performer, great price, etc.
>>      
>>     Ivo's blades are very light.  The prop is amazingly light.  This
>>     is a blessing and a curse.  The prop does not have enough mass to
>>     absorb the significant torque thrashing a big bore aircraft engine
>>     produces.  In his own words "you could see the prop was just being
>>     tortured."  At low RPM it was possible to see the blades flexing
>>     length wise as the amazing shear forces were hitting the base.
>>      
>>     The blades are tough and as far as I know they never failed.  What
>>     did happen was the blades would shift at the base.  They would
>>     work their way free from the bolts.  Ivo compensated with a very
>>     specific torquing regimen combined with stainless steel foil
>>     marking tape on the seams.  I believe this worked.  However . not
>>     all users of the prop were as vigilant or patient as they needed
>>     to be.
>>      
>>     I believe Ivo called for torque the bolts, run the engine,
>>     re-torque the bolts, re-run the engine, repeat until the torque
>>     does not change between cycles.
>>      
>>     In 1997, Mark Ewart and his family were killed  (Standard Velocity
>>     DMO-266).  Please read the report yourself:
>>     http://tinyurl.com/dhok3m   It was RELATED to the Ivo.  The detail
>>     related to the Prop is on the second page.  Reading the whole
>>     report is better.
>>      
>>     In the end Ivo decided to stop fighting with big bore aircraft
>>     engines and their violent torque curves.  His props really can
>>     withstand 750 HP, you just have to h ave a relatively smooth power
>>     curve.  Ivo has been a very good option for guys like Chris Barber
>>     running a rotary with reduction unit.  Smooth.
>>      
>>     It works on the Franklin as a 6 cylinder 360 has smoother power
>>     curve than 4 cylinder 360.
>>      
>>     As for the Vesta.  If you want to read back in the Archives, I was
>>     one of the first, possibly even the first from the Velocity
>>     community to speak with Jason Day.  Jason is a very nice guy.  I
>>     had acted as a bit of a liaison to get him to work with Velocity
>>     to develop a prop for us and have Velocity test the thing.
>>      
>>     A major portion of Jason's business is automotive conversions for
>>     aircraft.  His props have been running by-and-large on automotive
>>     engines with reduction units on them - read smooth power curve.
>>      
>>     Jason's stuff looks great.  I believe he has the background and
>>     skills to make a great prop.  Problem is, he didn't have ANY
>>     experience with our prop running on an aircraft engine.  Velocity
>>     wanted to help, but were unwilling to risk Turbo Charlie $200K+
>>     aircraft and a pilot on a completely untested prop.
>>      
>>     Velocity suggested that Jason give the prop to testers in the
>>     Airboat industry and let them beat on it for a year.  I don't
>>     believe Jason was willing and I'm pretty sure this has never been
>>     done.
>>      
>>     Bob Buls owns one of Jason's props.  Bob is also going to run it
>>     with one of Jason's automotive conversions.
>>      
>>     Dave Dent has a prop and has been working with Jason on it.  I
>>     sincerely wish Dave the best of luck on his flight testing and am
>>     eager to hear his findings.  This could be a great new option for us.
>>      
>>     The other concern on the Vesta is the weight.  It is a heavy
>>     prop.  I believe it might weigh 50 to 100% more than the MT or
>>     Aero Composite.
>>      
>>     Please form your own opinions based on your own direct research. 
>>     For my soft pink body, I'll wait for someone else to strap one on
>>     and hit the wild blue.
>>      
>>     Andy
>>
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>> -- 
>> Mike W.
>> 1997 Velocity Elite RG
>> Franklin /IVO Electric CS
>> Dual GRT EFIS Synthetic Vision
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