REFLECTOR: Ivo and Vesta

Scott Derrick scott at tnstaafl.net
Thu Apr 23 18:14:39 CDT 2009


Kurt,

    I wonder whats the difference in power pulses between a Chevy  V6
and a Continental flat 6?  Why does one hammer a prop and the other not? 

Scott

nmflyer1 at aol.com wrote:
> Mike,
>
> That is good to hear!  After asking me tons of questions and carefully
> considering my setup, IVO said they would provide me a prop that would
> meet my needs. I have a 76" Magnum CS. I have not put it on yet
> because I want to get my painting done first.
>
> In fact, IVO Co. called me a while back just to make sure I was happy
> with the prop.. and I have had it on the shelf for years!.
>
> Hopefully it will be the right setup for my powerplant and provide me
> service like yours.
>
> Kurt
> 340HP Aluminum 4.3L V-6
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Watson <mikewatsspg at gmail.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:53 am
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Ivo and Vesta
>
> I've been running a IVO Magnum Electric Constant speed prop on a
> Franklin (Std Elite RG) for ten years plus. Sent back twice for check up
> and refreshing. They are tough as nails, handles FOD well and as long
> as Ivo's maintenance instructions are followed,  seems to last thousands
> of hours.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Andy Millin <amillin at sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:amillin at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hey Larry,
>      
>     Believe it or not, I did a fair amount of research on the Ivo.  I
>     wanted to use the Ivo.  I gave the guy a call and we spoke for
>     nearly an hour.
>      
>     Way back in the day Mark Machado had mounted an Ivo on a standard
>     with an IO-360.  He was VERY impressed with the performance.   I
>     believe the write up was in Velocity Views.  It sounded like it
>     was going to be better than sliced bread AND peanut butter.  It is
>     a real performer, great price, etc.
>      
>     Ivo’s blades are very light.  The prop is amazingly light.  This
>     is a blessing and a curse.  The prop does not have enough mass to
>     absorb the significant torque thrashing a big bore aircraft engine
>     produces.  In his own words “you could see the prop was just being
>     tortured.”  At low RPM it was possible to see the blades flexing
>     length wise as the amazing shear forces were hitting the base.
>      
>     The blades are tough and as far as I know they never failed.  What
>     did happen was the blades would shift at the base.  They would
>     work their way free from the bolts.  Ivo compensated with a very
>     specific torquing regimen combined with stainless steel foil
>     marking tape on the seams.  I believe this worked.  However … not
>     all users of the prop were as vigilant or patient as they needed
>     to be.
>      
>     I believe Ivo called for torque the bolts, run the engine,
>     re-torque the bolts, re-run the engine, repeat until the torque
>     does not change between cycles.
>      
>     In 1997, Mark Ewart and his family were killed  (Standard Velocity
>     DMO-266).  Please read the report yourself:
>     http://tinyurl.com/dhok3m   It was RELATED to the Ivo.  The detail
>     related to the Prop is on the second page.  Reading the whole
>     report is better.
>      
>     In the end Ivo decided to stop fighting with big bore aircraft
>     engines and their violent torque curves.  His props really can
>     withstand 750 HP, you just have to h ave a relatively smooth power
>     curve.  Ivo has been a very good option for guys like Chris Barber
>     running a rotary with reduction unit.  Smooth.
>      
>     It works on the Franklin as a 6 cylinder 360 has smoother power
>     curve than 4 cylinder 360.
>      
>     As for the Vesta.  If you want to read back in the Archives, I was
>     one of the first, possibly even the first from the Velocity
>     community to speak with Jason Day.  Jason is a very nice guy.  I
>     had acted as a bit of a liaison to get him to work with Velocity
>     to develop a prop for us and have Velocity test the thing.
>      
>     A major portion of Jason’s business is automotive conversions for
>     aircraft.  His props have been running by-and-large on automotive
>     engines with reduction units on them – read smooth power curve.
>      
>     Jason’s stuff looks great.  I believe he has the background and
>     skills to make a great prop.  Problem is, he didn’t have ANY
>     experience with our prop running on an aircraft engine.  Velocity
>     wanted to help, but were unwilling to risk Turbo Charlie $200K+
>     aircraft and a pilot on a completely untested prop.
>      
>     Velocity suggested that Jason give the prop to testers in the
>     Airboat industry and let them beat on it for a year.  I don’t
>     believe Jason was willing and I’m pretty sure this has never been
>     done.
>      
>     Bob Buls owns one of Jason’s props.  Bob is also going to run it
>     with one of Jason’s automotive conversions.
>      
>     Dave Dent has a prop and has been working with Jason on it.  I
>     sincerely wish Dave the best of luck on his flight testing and am
>     eager to hear his findings.  This could be a great new option for us.
>      
>     The other concern on the Vesta is the weight.  It is a heavy
>     prop.  I believe it might weigh 50 to 100% more than the MT or
>     Aero Composite.
>      
>     Please form your own opinions based on your own direct research. 
>     For my soft pink body, I’ll wait for someone else to strap one on
>     and hit the wild blue.
>      
>     Andy
>
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> -- 
> Mike W.
> 1997 Velocity Elite RG
> Franklin /IVO Electric CS
> Dual GRT EFIS Synthetic Vision
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