REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 50, Issue 18 Aerocomposite Prop
Mark Riley
anriley at comcast.net
Thu Jul 10 16:50:41 CDT 2008
Brooke:
I had previously built a standard RG, N929V, which you can see on Brett
Ferrell's web site. It had an MT prop. The performance was great but the
blades were very soft and were constantly getting chipped up. I also had
repeated problems with the electric controller. I heard others tell of
problems with leaking seals on the hydraulic models.
The biggest problem was of my own making. I had to have it overhauled
twice, once for a rock hit and once for a full on gear up landing. That
necessitated paying to disassemble the prop and ship it back to the
Fatherland each time.
The Aerocomposite is much tougher. The rep at Oshkosh walked around during
the show hitting one of their blades with a ball peen hammer and doing no
damage. THAT got my attention. For service purposes, the Aerocomposites is
made and serviced in the USA. Rene' Dugas has 300 trouble free hours on his
Aerocomposite on an XL. That's enough for me.
Here is the only cautionary note. It took Aerocomposites 11 months to
deliver my prop. I ordered it last Oshkosh and just got it.
Hope this is helpful and I'd be happy to discuss at the Velocity dinner if
you are going.
Mark
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:46:48 -0400
From: "Brooke Wolf" <bwolf1 at tds.net>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 50, Issue 12-
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Mark....that is a magnificent looking prop. I first saw it at Sun-n-fun
last April. I was very impressed with it as well as the people who
manufacture it. I'm going to take another look at Oshkosh later this month.
I am about ready to make the leap and buy it for a 370 HP 550.
I need a little shove to do this. What convinced you? I would also like to
hear from other velocity owners with this prop.
Thanks..Brooke
XLRG-5 (a long way to go)
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>I finally received my Aerocomposite prop and I have to say it's beautiful.
> If you haven't had a chance to see one, I posted a picture of it on my
> blog.
> It is marksvelocity.blogspot.com
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> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:04:30 -0800
> From: kent <kent at orbital.aero>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Lycoming break in oil
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> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Steve Goldman
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> That is very sad. I met Steve just after he got his kit. I flew over and
> did
> a EAA Technical Counselor inspection and shared with him my experiences in
> building my V.
>
> He had a beautiful place, hangar by a little pond, and a beautiful house.
> He was really enthused about building his XL and was building a slow build
> which he was enjoying immensely. I noticed that he had not sent any notes
> for a couple of months so I sent him a note to see how he was coming
> along.
> Turned out he had a detattached retina which had stopped his progress.
>
> We have lost a really neat guy and a smart builder.
>
> Thanks for letting us know Andy.
>
> Ronnie Brown
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Millin
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:39 AM
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Steve Goldman
>
>
> I regret that I have some very sad news. I was notified last night that
> Steve Goldman has passed away. It was an aneurism. Sudden and
> unexpected.
> I do not have any more detail than that. The email came from Steve's
> neighbor. Steve was about two years into building his XL/RG.
>
>
>
> Somehow Steve had found my website a few years ago. He asked a few
> questions about building and expressed his sincere desire to someday build
> a
> Velocity.
>
>
>
> I looked at my guestbook, and saw the entry he left in 2006:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Andy,
> So I've been watching your site for at least two years (we exchanged some
> email in '04) and I see now it really is looking like a plane. Pretty
> cool.
> I finally took the plunge today myself and ordered a kit. Hope to get it
> in
> June.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That was a pretty good day. It was easy to tell he was excited.
> Steve was starting down the road. That's gotta make you smile. I wrote
> back with congratulations and best wishes.
>
>
>
> As he worked on the project, we would occasionally exchange email. Steve
> was a smart guy and really wanted to understand the process and the
> reasons.
> I remember getting an email from him when he tested his new HID landing
> light. It is great thing when another builder takes the time to share
> their
> "Builder Moments" with you.
>
>
>
> I had the great pleasure of meeting Steve last fall at Velocity
> University. He had a long, hard IFR trip in his Grumman Tiger to get
> there.
>
>
>
> In our day and age, it is a treat when you get to meet someone
> face-to-face that you have been conversing with for years over the net.
> Steve was a very cool guy.
>
>
>
> Steve setup a website to detail his building. http://www.fatcatair.com
>
>
>
> For me his site shows an average guy living the dream. He was pretty
> good about sharing the good and the bad. Smile when he comes up with a
> clever solution -- grimace when his clever solution might just have cost
> him
> six more weeks of building and another $500.
>
>
>
> Steve left a gem for us. Check out his "First Year Building Video".
> He
> set up two webcams in his shop and used the images to create a time lapse
> of
> his first year of building.
>
>
>
> I am richer that I have known him. I am poorer that he is no longer with
> us.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andy Millin
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:50:21 -0700
From: "Keith Hallsten" <KeithHallsten at quiknet.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
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Ronnie,
You drilled through the spar web for a hole to run the aileron cables
through? I'm sure the cables in my XL run entirely below the spar.
Keith Hallsten
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No, the cable comes out just above the lower spar cap. If you get too low,
you'll have problems making the transition back to the keel bracket.
Ronnie
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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:13 PM
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> Thanks Ron! I appreciate the info. Apparently, the cables penetrate
> the
> firewall below the lower spar cap?
> Gordon
>
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> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>
>
>>
>>
>> Yes, my changes did result in more up than down aileron travel. I don't
>> have
>> the measurements since I gave the new owner all of my manuals and paper
>> notes.
>>
>> I have attached two pictures that show the aileron in the up and down
>> positions. The 1/4" socket extension clamped to the inverted aileron
>> cable
>> brackets approximate the revised location of the aileron control cables
>> when
>> attached.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <cgputney at peoplepc.com>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>
>>
>>> Ron, did your change result in 2.5" down and up? I want to do this
>>> change
>>> as well and would appreciate some numbers on your actual final
>>> measurements.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gordon Putney
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>
>>>> From my RC modeling days, I learned that to minimize adverse yaw, the
>>>> ailerons should go up more than they go down. Although we have Frieze
>>>> ailerons (the nose sticks down when the aileron is up), there is still
>>>> a
>>>> tendency toward adverse yaw. Especially since the attach point for the
>>>> aileron cables at the back of the keel is not 90 degrees.
>>>>
>>>> So, to improve the situation, I installed my aileron bell cranks beside
>>>> the
>>>> engine with a good bit of bias toward the front. I also lowered the
>>>> attach
>>>> point for the aileron cable jacket. This helps relieve the "error" at
>>>> the
>>>> keel as well as move the bellcranks away from the engine (but your
>>>> rotary
>>>> is
>>>> narrower than the Lycoming so not an issue). The aileron bell crank is
>>>> more
>>>> like 90 degrees to the cable when the aileron is down.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a note that I wrote in 2003 that is repetitive but adds some
>>>> more
>>>> info:
>>>>
>>>> When I rigged my ailerons, I found it difficult to obtain the equal
>>>> 2.5"
>>>> up
>>>> and 2.5" down that is called for in the manuals - for my 173 Elite RG.
>>>> Since the push/pull cables at the rear of the keel do not have a 90
>>>> degree
>>>> approach angle, the connection of the push/pull cable at the aileron
>>>> torque
>>>> tube on the wing, results in ailerons that travel down more than they
>>>> do
>>>> up.
>>>> This causes an adverse yaw condition which will lead to wallowing at
>>>> low
>>>> speeds.
>>>>
>>>> I learned this lesson a long time ago when flying RC models. If you
>>>> take
>>>> off at just above stall speed, the model would turn the opposite
>>>> direction
>>>> from that commanded. This is because the aileron that is going down
>>>> has
>>>> more drag than the one going up. This causes the left wing to slow down
>>>> if
>>>> you are commanding a right turn at slow speeds. This is called adverse
>>>> yaw
>>>> and is common in older airplanes. To get a coordinated turn, even at
>>>> speed,
>>>> you need to lead with a lot of rudder before applying aileron
>>>> deflection.
>>>> Or, you rig the ailerons so that there is more up travel than there is
>>>> down
>>>> travel, which will reduce this yaw effect.
>>>>
>>>> Cessnas and some other planes (including our Velocities) have a Frieze
>>>> aileron, which features a lip that hangs down below the wing when the
>>>> aileron is deflected upwards. This helps balance the drag from the
>>>> other
>>>> aileron which is hanging down in the airstream.
>>>>
>>>> Velocities handle fine at higher speeds even with no rudder input. But
>>>> at
>>>> lower speeds, if the ailerons are rigged with the 90 degree approach
>>>> angle
>>>> at the wing, then this results in more down than up aileron travel, and
>>>> the
>>>> adverse yaw condition that some folks have called "wallowing" on final.
>>>>
>>>> A while back, Dave Black pointed out the problem at the keel. One fix
>>>> is
>>>> to
>>>> build a wide bellcrank at the back of the keel so that the aileron
>>>> cables
>>>> could be attached at a 90 degree approach angle while in the neutral
>>>> (centered) condition.
>>>>
>>>> The other way is to attach the aileron cable at the wing so that the
>>>> approach angle is more than 90 degrees. Mine are attached at about 120
>>>> degrees, which results in more up travel than down travel. My Velocity
>>>> handles fine at low speeds, with just aileron control, similar to my
>>>> Cessna
>>>> 172. If I need a sharper turn, I'll kick in more rudder, just like in
>>>> my
>>>> 172. But normally, no rudder is needed, all the way down to the
>>>> runway.
>>>> (But I also installed VG's before my first flight, these also improve
>>>> low
>>>> speed aileron control).
>>>>
>>>> Ronnie Brown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <jewen at comporium.net>
>>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:42 AM
>>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am rigging up my aileron this weekend (173RG.) I recall several
>>>>>threads
>>>>>on the subject in the past, but can't find my notes. Does anyone mind
>>>>>refreshing me on the nuances that the manual does not address.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Joe
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:13:43 -0400
From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
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The manual calls for going through the middle part of the web - for both the
XL and Std (mine is a 173 RG).
As I mentioned, I relocated mine to the lower part of the web. The web is
rather thin - only one or perhaps two plies of BID.
Ronnie
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From: "Keith Hallsten" <KeithHallsten at quiknet.com>
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
> Ronnie,
>
> You drilled through the spar web for a hole to run the aileron cables
> through? I'm sure the cables in my XL run entirely below the spar.
>
> Keith Hallsten
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>
> No, the cable comes out just above the lower spar cap. If you get too
> low,
> you'll have problems making the transition back to the keel bracket.
>
> Ronnie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cgputney at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>
>
>> Thanks Ron! I appreciate the info. Apparently, the cables penetrate
>> the
>> firewall below the lower spar cap?
>> Gordon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, my changes did result in more up than down aileron travel. I don't
>>> have
>>> the measurements since I gave the new owner all of my manuals and paper
>>> notes.
>>>
>>> I have attached two pictures that show the aileron in the up and down
>>> positions. The 1/4" socket extension clamped to the inverted aileron
>>> cable
>>> brackets approximate the revised location of the aileron control cables
>>> when
>>> attached.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <cgputney at peoplepc.com>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ron, did your change result in 2.5" down and up? I want to do this
>>>> change
>>>> as well and would appreciate some numbers on your actual final
>>>> measurements.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gordon Putney
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ron Brown" <romott at mi-connection.com>
>>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> From my RC modeling days, I learned that to minimize adverse yaw, the
>>>>> ailerons should go up more than they go down. Although we have Frieze
>>>>> ailerons (the nose sticks down when the aileron is up), there is still
>>>>> a
>>>>> tendency toward adverse yaw. Especially since the attach point for
>>>>> the
>>>>> aileron cables at the back of the keel is not 90 degrees.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, to improve the situation, I installed my aileron bell cranks
>>>>> beside
>>>>> the
>>>>> engine with a good bit of bias toward the front. I also lowered the
>>>>> attach
>>>>> point for the aileron cable jacket. This helps relieve the "error" at
>>>>> the
>>>>> keel as well as move the bellcranks away from the engine (but your
>>>>> rotary
>>>>> is
>>>>> narrower than the Lycoming so not an issue). The aileron bell crank
>>>>> is
>>>>> more
>>>>> like 90 degrees to the cable when the aileron is down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a note that I wrote in 2003 that is repetitive but adds some
>>>>> more
>>>>> info:
>>>>>
>>>>> When I rigged my ailerons, I found it difficult to obtain the equal
>>>>> 2.5"
>>>>> up
>>>>> and 2.5" down that is called for in the manuals - for my 173 Elite RG.
>>>>> Since the push/pull cables at the rear of the keel do not have a 90
>>>>> degree
>>>>> approach angle, the connection of the push/pull cable at the aileron
>>>>> torque
>>>>> tube on the wing, results in ailerons that travel down more than they
>>>>> do
>>>>> up.
>>>>> This causes an adverse yaw condition which will lead to wallowing at
>>>>> low
>>>>> speeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned this lesson a long time ago when flying RC models. If you
>>>>> take
>>>>> off at just above stall speed, the model would turn the opposite
>>>>> direction
>>>>> from that commanded. This is because the aileron that is going down
>>>>> has
>>>>> more drag than the one going up. This causes the left wing to slow
>>>>> down
>>>>> if
>>>>> you are commanding a right turn at slow speeds. This is called
>>>>> adverse
>>>>> yaw
>>>>> and is common in older airplanes. To get a coordinated turn, even at
>>>>> speed,
>>>>> you need to lead with a lot of rudder before applying aileron
>>>>> deflection.
>>>>> Or, you rig the ailerons so that there is more up travel than there is
>>>>> down
>>>>> travel, which will reduce this yaw effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cessnas and some other planes (including our Velocities) have a Frieze
>>>>> aileron, which features a lip that hangs down below the wing when the
>>>>> aileron is deflected upwards. This helps balance the drag from the
>>>>> other
>>>>> aileron which is hanging down in the airstream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Velocities handle fine at higher speeds even with no rudder input.
>>>>> But
>>>>> at
>>>>> lower speeds, if the ailerons are rigged with the 90 degree approach
>>>>> angle
>>>>> at the wing, then this results in more down than up aileron travel,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the
>>>>> adverse yaw condition that some folks have called "wallowing" on
>>>>> final.
>>>>>
>>>>> A while back, Dave Black pointed out the problem at the keel. One fix
>>>>> is
>>>>> to
>>>>> build a wide bellcrank at the back of the keel so that the aileron
>>>>> cables
>>>>> could be attached at a 90 degree approach angle while in the neutral
>>>>> (centered) condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other way is to attach the aileron cable at the wing so that the
>>>>> approach angle is more than 90 degrees. Mine are attached at about
>>>>> 120
>>>>> degrees, which results in more up travel than down travel. My
>>>>> Velocity
>>>>> handles fine at low speeds, with just aileron control, similar to my
>>>>> Cessna
>>>>> 172. If I need a sharper turn, I'll kick in more rudder, just like in
>>>>> my
>>>>> 172. But normally, no rudder is needed, all the way down to the
>>>>> runway.
>>>>> (But I also installed VG's before my first flight, these also improve
>>>>> low
>>>>> speed aileron control).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ronnie Brown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <jewen at comporium.net>
>>>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:42 AM
>>>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aileron Rigging
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am rigging up my aileron this weekend (173RG.) I recall several
>>>>>>threads
>>>>>>on the subject in the past, but can't find my notes. Does anyone mind
>>>>>>refreshing me on the nuances that the manual does not address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Joe
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