REFLECTOR: Seat rail installation.

Wed Mar 21 07:32:29 CDT 2007

The beauty of experimental aviation..  One can customize and personalize it before and
after flying without bureaucracy or non-sense in the way.  

Tom said "The Velocity is my Ferrari... the Cirrus is my family wagon."   He can always
turn his Velocity into his Lamborghini too, if he wants.  However, his Cirrus will always
be his same family wagon.  

In my case, my Velocity XL will be my Toyota. and my family wagon. and without the back
seats, maybe even the Bujanda's Camper for two.  What the heck!  :-) 

Regards,
Jorge Bujanda
Velocity XL FG 
Palmdale, CA
Website:  http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jbujanda/

"Make your best case... not the best case."
"Spare the noise... convince through silence."

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of
Christopher Barber
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:41 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Seat rail installation.

I too originally placed something between the rear seat rail attach point to raise it up
and forward, however, this pushed the seat higher and caused my head to rub on the roof
more....it was even worse for my friend David who is only an inch taller, but apparently
carries more of his height in his torso than I.  I also tried to reverse the aluminum
brackets but it was not quite right for me.  So far the lower front seems good, of course
I am not flying yet, but soon, or so I hope, well, pretty soon.  Hoping to crank up the
rotary, or try anyway,  within the next few/several weeks.

All the best,

Chris 

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On Behalf Of Andrew
Ellzey
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:10 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Seat rail installation.
Thanks everyone for your advice. I just needed to know that I wasn't seeing something
different. I like my seat straighter than it is now and I will experiment more with
different heights and angles when I am ready to make the final install. I did add 1 1/2
inches between the rails and the rear of the seat base and liked how that looked and felt.
I will be able to tell more when I install some foam. Then I can sit in my plane and make
engine noises since I'm not ready for engine start.

Andy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jorge Bujanda <mailto:bujanda at dslextreme.com>  
To: 'Velocity <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>  Aircraft Owners and Builders list' 
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Seat rail installation.

Andy,
You can see pictures of the assembly and installation of my seats at:
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jbujanda/Construction.html#Fuselage  (Seats)

The standard angle between the bottom seat and the back of the seat felt too big for my
comfort; not because of the stick been too far forward but because I feel more comfortable
with my back on the straight side.  To reduce the angle between the two I reversed the
aluminum tops on the seat hinges and these turned out to be pretty much how I wanted them
so; no adjustments were necessary.  If anything, it may be too vertical after upholstering
and grinding the hinge tops will take care of it.  However, I placed the cushions of an
old car seat on the pan and back and it feels right for me. 

I moved the seat against the rails to determine the height I wanted for the seat pans.  I
then moved the whole seat assembly (seat and rails) fore-aft on the cabin floor to match
my distance to the pedals.  This gave the location for the floor hard points (I ignored
the location of the seat hard points in the manual).   

The reason I did not modify the rails is because the angle between the seat bottom and the
floor is ergonomic and helps you bend your knees.  Decreasing this angle will force you to
straighten your legs and this will be tiring, especially on long flights.  You can test
this by feeling your legs when you sit on the floor using one cushion and then using three
or four cushions; better bent than straight.  

My 2 cents

Regards,
Jorge Bujanda
Velocity XL FG 
Palmdale, CA
Website:  http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jbujanda/

"Make your best case... not the best case."
"Spare the noise... convince through silence."

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
Ellzey
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:48 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: REFLECTOR: Seat rail installation.

I put one of my seat assemblies together last night and made the backrest angle reclined
about 10 degrees from the seat base. I then took this assy and placed it on top of one of
my front seat track rails. This made the seat assembly reclined to far aft to be
comfortable for a front seat. This is the same angle that is used for the rear rails also
but is probably needed for head clearance for the back seat passengers. It looks like an
additional 1 inch will need to be added to the rear of the seat rail assy to bring the
front seat to a proper level. I am interested in what others have done or added to level
the front seats or am I seeing something wrong?

Andy Ellzey

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