REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

Fri Dec 14 15:13:45 CST 2007

I also have the Wingco wings and compared to the fast build from
Velocity, they are heavier.  I don't know how much, but they are
heavier.  

- jerry

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of lawrence epstein
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:32 AM
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

As I recall, Alan sent a "spec sheet" with the wings which gave the
measurements on the installed antennae and the weight of each wings.
They usually came out a little lighter than owner built.  I think it
would be hard for him to add 100lbs to the weight. My guess it is in the
fuselage, but that does sound about 150-200 lbs over average.

Larry Epstein

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	From: jsbeck at charter.net
	To: reflector at tvbf.org
	Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:44:55 -0800
	Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

	Ronnie & Jerry
	 Thanks for your help, I finally got my new weight & balance
using both of your methods.  I found 1 inch difference and weighed it
both ways and found that having the main gear 1 inch higher only changed
the nose gear weight by 1& 1/2 pounds with full fuel, from 92 to 91.5.
	I was a bit surprised and disappointed in how heavy my aircraft
is.  It weighed in at 1530 empty for a 173 RG Elite with IO 360 lycoming
and mt 3 blade electric prop and  dynamic wings fast built delivered in
4/96 . The builder had told me that he thought the wings were about 100
lb overweight. this extra weight may explain why it seems to use so much
runway to get in the air. Just wondering what others have for empty
weights on similar aircraft.
	Thanks 
	Jim

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		From: Brainard, Jerry <mailto:Jerry.Brainard at anthem.com>

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		Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 6:06 AM
		Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

		Fore/Aft Level will depend on the specific mid-spar
installation.  I have an early fast build and that particular leveling
task became an issue since there was not "bolt hole" and the cowling was
already removed.  The factory just measured a about four plane in the
service center and determined that the tip of the nose should be 1.5
inches below the bottom of the mid-spar.  Of course it also was
explained that they had built them with the nose higher and lower and it
did not really make any difference.  

		On a completed plane, I suggest using the wing incidence
gauge.

		- jerry

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		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Brown
		Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:38 PM
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
		Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

		Hello Jim,

		If memory serves me right, the bottom of the CS spar
next to the fuselage and the tip of the nose are the level points.  Use
a clear plastic hose with water in it.  You can use the bottom of the
wing next to the fuselage and 1/4" below the nose with the wings on.
Just make sure you are level side to side too.

		Ronnie

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			From: Jim & Sharon Beck
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			Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:00 PM
			Subject: REFLECTOR: Reflector Leveling A/C

			Can anyone help me with the best place to get a
for & aft level on a finished aircraft. I want to do a new W/B and can
get a side to side level off of my spar.
			I did not build the aircraft so don't know where
the level spots are. I have the level for the main wings and canard with
the small jigs used to build it, but they do no have the same incidence.
the firewall and the main spar seem to have enough glass and epoxy on
them to make it difficult to find a spot that a level will sit on and
give me an accurate reading. 
			Thanks for any help you can give me.
			Jim  
			173RG N29RP
			250 hrs

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