REFLECTOR: Deal????
Matt Bucko
mbuc310 at cox.net
Sun Aug 19 19:23:31 CDT 2007
OK Tom, how good of a deal???!!!!
Matt
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1. Re: Incident/Accident (Tom Martino)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:08:37 -0600
From: Tom Martino <tmartino at troubleshooter.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
To: Velocity List <reflector at tvbf.org>
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Hey, I?m not offended. The governor came from Performance Aero. They built
the engine and it came with the governor on it.
On 8/17/07 4:47 PM, "Bud Williams" <bud27 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> An old USAF pilot training classmate of mine had the same problem with a
Falco
> he had built. He had gotten the engine, propeller, and governor off of an
old
> Apache that was being parted out. He had an oil temp problem that caused a
> loss of oil pressure during takeoff and the engine to lose rpm (down to
1800
> rpm and the engine running very ?rough?). He managed to land the airplane,
and
> after checking everything over (everything checked out OK), he took to the
air
> only to repeat the results.
>
> Finally someone asked him where he got his governor and then proceeded to
> explain to him that multiengine governors try to go to full feather when
they
> lose oil pressure while single engine governors go to full rpm, hence the
drop
> in rpm and the ?roughness? off the engine trying to drive a propeller that
was
> close to feather.
>
> I?m not trying to belittle with this question (my classmate WAS an idiot
and
> didn?t know the first thing about flying propeller-driven aircraft, and
the
> people on this list are nothing like he was), but where did you get your
> governor from, and are you sure it is the correct one (as in is it for a
> single-engine or a multiengine aircraft)?
>
>
> Bud
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf
> Of Tom Martino
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 4:46 PM
> To: Velocity List
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
>
> Greg,
>
> It is looking like the prop went to full pitch which caused a drastic
> reduction of power. When I could not keep altitude ... I shut down the
engine
> for the landing.
>
> I thought when a governor fails ... The prop goes to full RPM ... That is
a
> mystery.
>
> I do not have a choice but to sell ... It is causing too much grief with
my
> loved ones who do not fully grasp the adventure of experimental aviation.
>
> BTW ... Someone will get a hell of a plane, parts, engine and/or avionics
in
> this deal.
>
> I need to make it go away.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/17/07 2:59 PM, "gpoole" <gpoole at zeta.org.au> wrote:
> Sorry to hear of your situation/dilemma. Guess it depends on how much
somebody
> wants your killer paint job Tom. Unless you find the buyer with the ?must
> have? attitude, it?s often a sad reality that the parts can be worth more
on
> part out than the aircraft?.
>
> Sounds like you are resigned to selling it?.a very sad situation as the
> aircraft shouldn?t be blamed for an engine stop (?obviously a risk with
> certified ones too?)?..but with your promo skills?..
>
> If the damage is relatively minor why not fix it first, then make up your
> mind? (?too tempting?)
>
>
> Greg in Sydney
> greg at pooledresources.com.au
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
> <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org%5d> On Behalf Of Tom Martino
> Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 3:53 AM
> To: Velocity List
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
>
> I have no idea what happened. It just suddenly lost power on takeoff.
Not
> high enough to turn around. Put it down in a field with gear up. The only
> damage is to the lower winglets and prop (but luckily the engine was
> stopped.
>
> I am very discouraged. I had put every upgrade you could buy into the
> plane. I recently rebuilt the entire landing gear system ... Including
> hydraulic pump, nose mechanism and main gear. Including all new
cylinders,
> and upgraded main gear pivot bolts.
>
> I have a glass panel and a killer paint job ... Well over $200,000
invested.
>
> Now my wife has demanded I either part it out or sell it for salvage.
> Really ... No BS. We have a new Cirrus, an Ercoupe, a Champ and will soon
> have a Pilatus. But she insists that I get rid of the Velocity.
>
> The engine is an IO-540 (300 hp). I have a BMA EFIS One with AP, a Dynon
> D-10 backup, a CNX-80 w/hidden transponder, backup digital instruments,
> beautiful seats and lots of extras.
>
> I need advice: Should I part it out or sell it "as is"?
>
> I am not looking for a lot of money. Any reasonable offer would be
> considered. I know that someone could have a flying Velocity for very
> little money.
>
> Please pass this information along. I have a complete list of parts and I
> will soon have a diagnosis on the engine (which I am sure is something
> stupid -- I suspect the dual electronic ignition).
>
> Tom Martino
>
>
>
>
> On 8/17/07 10:38 AM, "steve korney" <s_korney at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >
>> > What happened...?
>> >
>> > IDENTIFICATION
>> > Regis#: 173EX Make/Model: EXP Description: VELOCITY 173
ELITE
>> > Date: 08/16/2007 Time: 0114
>> >
>> > Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N
Missing: N
>> > Damage: Minor
>> >
>> > LOCATION
>> > City: WATKINS State: CO Country: US
>> >
>> > DESCRIPTION
>> > AIRCRAFT ON DEPARTURE, ENGINE FAILED AND FORCE LANDED EAST OF THE
RUNWAY,
>> > WATKINS, CO
>> >
>> > INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
>> > # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
>> > # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
>> > # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
>> >
>> > WEATHER: VFR
>> >
>> > OTHER DATA
>> > Activity: Unknown Phase: Take-off Operation: OTHER
>> >
>> >
>> > FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03) Entry date: 08/17/2007
>> >
>> > ---------------------
>> >
>> > N-number : N173EX
>> > Aircraft Serial Number : DMO-282
>> > Aircraft Manufacturer : MARTINO THOMAS G
>> > Model : VELCITY 173 ELITE RG
>> > Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
>> > Model : IO-540 SER
>> > Aircraft Year : 2004
>> > Owner Name : MARTINO THOMAS G
>> > Owner Address : 7900 FOX CREEK TRL
>> > FRANKTOWN, CO, 80116-9667
>> > Type of Owner : Individual
>> > Registration Date : 18-Nov-2004
>> > Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
>> > Approved Operations : Amateur Built
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best... Steve
>> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:04:16 -0700
From: "RBrim" <rbrim at PerformanceSolutionsTech.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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Cc: 'Tom Martino' <tmartino at troubleshooter.com>
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Tom,
I had a similar experience after putting a newly rebuilt engine in. The
adjustment bolt was letting the governor slide and the pressure on the prop
would push it back to a flat pitch about 100 feet into the air. I was able
to still climb to about 500 feet and make it back to land, but it took
several attempts to identify the problem and the "test pilot" experiences
were not welcome.
Rodney Brim,
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Martino
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Velocity List
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
Greg,
It is looking like the prop went to full pitch which caused a drastic
reduction of power. When I could not keep altitude ... I shut down the
engine for the landing.
I thought when a governor fails ... The prop goes to full RPM ... That is a
mystery.
I do not have a choice but to sell ... It is causing too much grief with my
loved ones who do not fully grasp the adventure of experimental aviation.
BTW ... Someone will get a hell of a plane, parts, engine and/or avionics in
this deal.
I need to make it go away.
Tom
On 8/17/07 2:59 PM, "gpoole" <gpoole at zeta.org.au> wrote:
Sorry to hear of your situation/dilemma. Guess it depends on how much
somebody wants your killer paint job Tom. Unless you find the buyer with the
"must have" attitude, it's often a sad reality that the parts can be worth
more on part out than the aircraft..
Sounds like you are resigned to selling it..a very sad situation as the
aircraft shouldn't be blamed for an engine stop (.obviously a risk with
certified ones too.)...but with your promo skills...
If the damage is relatively minor why not fix it first, then make up your
mind? (.too tempting?)
Greg in Sydney
greg at pooledresources.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Martino
Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 3:53 AM
To: Velocity List
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident
I have no idea what happened. It just suddenly lost power on takeoff. Not
high enough to turn around. Put it down in a field with gear up. The only
damage is to the lower winglets and prop (but luckily the engine was
stopped.
I am very discouraged. I had put every upgrade you could buy into the
plane. I recently rebuilt the entire landing gear system ... Including
hydraulic pump, nose mechanism and main gear. Including all new cylinders,
and upgraded main gear pivot bolts.
I have a glass panel and a killer paint job ... Well over $200,000 invested.
Now my wife has demanded I either part it out or sell it for salvage.
Really ... No BS. We have a new Cirrus, an Ercoupe, a Champ and will soon
have a Pilatus. But she insists that I get rid of the Velocity.
The engine is an IO-540 (300 hp). I have a BMA EFIS One with AP, a Dynon
D-10 backup, a CNX-80 w/hidden transponder, backup digital instruments,
beautiful seats and lots of extras.
I need advice: Should I part it out or sell it "as is"?
I am not looking for a lot of money. Any reasonable offer would be
considered. I know that someone could have a flying Velocity for very
little money.
Please pass this information along. I have a complete list of parts and I
will soon have a diagnosis on the engine (which I am sure is something
stupid -- I suspect the dual electronic ignition).
Tom Martino
On 8/17/07 10:38 AM, "steve korney" <s_korney at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> What happened...?
>
> IDENTIFICATION
> Regis#: 173EX Make/Model: EXP Description: VELOCITY 173
ELITE
> Date: 08/16/2007 Time: 0114
>
> Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
> Damage: Minor
>
> LOCATION
> City: WATKINS State: CO Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
> AIRCRAFT ON DEPARTURE, ENGINE FAILED AND FORCE LANDED EAST OF THE
RUNWAY,
> WATKINS, CO
>
> INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
> # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
> # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
>
> WEATHER: VFR
>
> OTHER DATA
> Activity: Unknown Phase: Take-off Operation: OTHER
>
>
> FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03) Entry date: 08/17/2007
>
> ---------------------
>
> N-number : N173EX
> Aircraft Serial Number : DMO-282
> Aircraft Manufacturer : MARTINO THOMAS G
> Model : VELCITY 173 ELITE RG
> Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
> Model : IO-540 SER
> Aircraft Year : 2004
> Owner Name : MARTINO THOMAS G
> Owner Address : 7900 FOX CREEK TRL
> FRANKTOWN, CO, 80116-9667
> Type of Owner : Individual
> Registration Date : 18-Nov-2004
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations : Amateur Built
>
>
>
> Best... Steve
>
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