REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident

Bud Williams bud27 at bellsouth.net
Fri Aug 17 17:47:25 CDT 2007


Tom,

 

An old USAF pilot training classmate of mine had the same problem with a
Falco he had built. He had gotten the engine, propeller, and governor off of
an old Apache that was being parted out. He had an oil temp problem that
caused a loss of oil pressure during takeoff and the engine to lose rpm
(down to 1800 rpm and the engine running very "rough"). He managed to land
the airplane, and after checking everything over (everything checked out
OK), he took to the air only to repeat the results.

 

Finally someone asked him where he got his governor and then proceeded to
explain to him that multiengine governors try to go to full feather when
they lose oil pressure while single engine governors go to full rpm, hence
the drop in rpm and the "roughness" off the engine trying to drive a
propeller that was close to feather.

 

I'm not trying to belittle with this question (my classmate WAS an idiot and
didn't know the first thing about flying propeller-driven aircraft, and the
people on this list are nothing like he was), but where did you get your
governor from, and are you sure it is the correct one (as in is it for a
single-engine or a multiengine aircraft)?

 

Bud

 

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Tom Martino
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 4:46 PM
To: Velocity List
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident

 

Greg,

It is looking like the prop went to full pitch which caused a drastic
reduction of power.  When I could not keep altitude ... I shut down the
engine for the landing.

I thought when a governor fails ... The prop goes to full RPM ... That is a
mystery.

I do not have a choice but to sell ... It is causing too much grief with my
loved ones who do not fully grasp the adventure of experimental aviation.

BTW ... Someone will get a hell of a plane, parts, engine and/or avionics in
this deal.  

I need to make it go away.

Tom





On 8/17/07 2:59 PM, "gpoole" <gpoole at zeta.org.au> wrote:

Sorry to hear of your situation/dilemma. Guess it depends on how much
somebody wants your killer paint job Tom. Unless you find the buyer with the
"must have" attitude, it's often a sad reality that the parts can be worth
more on part out than the aircraft..
 
Sounds like you are resigned to selling it..a very sad situation as the
aircraft shouldn't be blamed for an engine stop (.obviously a risk with
certified ones too.)...but with your promo skills...
 
If the damage is relatively minor why not fix it first, then make up your
mind? (.too tempting?)
 

Greg in Sydney 
greg at pooledresources.com.au 



-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
<mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org%5d>  On Behalf Of Tom Martino
Sent: Saturday, 18 August 2007 3:53 AM
To: Velocity List
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Incident/Accident

I have no idea what happened.  It just suddenly lost power on takeoff.  Not
high enough to turn around.  Put it down in a field with gear up. The only
damage is to the lower winglets and prop (but luckily the engine was
stopped.

I am very discouraged.  I had put every upgrade you could buy into the
plane.  I recently rebuilt the entire landing gear system ... Including
hydraulic pump, nose mechanism and main gear.  Including all new cylinders,
and upgraded main gear pivot bolts.

I have a glass panel and a killer paint job ... Well over $200,000 invested.

Now my wife has demanded I either part it out or sell it for salvage.
Really ... No BS.  We have a new Cirrus, an Ercoupe, a Champ and will soon
have a Pilatus.  But she insists that I get rid of the Velocity.

The engine is an IO-540 (300 hp).  I have a BMA EFIS One with AP, a Dynon
D-10 backup, a CNX-80 w/hidden transponder, backup digital instruments,
beautiful seats and lots of extras.

I need advice:  Should I part it out or sell it "as is"?

I am not looking for a lot of money.  Any reasonable offer would be
considered.   I know that someone could have a flying Velocity for very
little money. 

Please pass this information along.  I have a complete list of parts and I
will soon have a diagnosis on the engine (which I am sure is something
stupid -- I suspect the dual electronic ignition).

Tom Martino




On 8/17/07 10:38 AM, "steve korney" <s_korney at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> What happened...?
>
> IDENTIFICATION
>   Regis#: 173EX       Make/Model: EXP       Description: VELOCITY 173
ELITE
>   Date: 08/16/2007     Time: 0114
>
>   Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: None     Mid Air: N    Missing: N
>   Damage: Minor
>
> LOCATION
>   City: WATKINS   State: CO   Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
>   AIRCRAFT ON DEPARTURE, ENGINE FAILED AND FORCE LANDED EAST OF THE
RUNWAY,
>   WATKINS, CO
>
> INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:   0
>                 # Crew:   1     Fat:  0     Ser:   0     Min:  0     Unk:
>                 # Pass:   0     Fat:  0     Ser:   0    Min:   0     Unk:
>                 # Grnd:         Fat:  0     Ser:   0     Min:  0     Unk:
>
> WEATHER: VFR
>
> OTHER DATA
>   Activity: Unknown      Phase: Take-off      Operation: OTHER
>
>
>   FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03)                   Entry date: 08/17/2007
>
> ---------------------
>
> N-number                      : N173EX
> Aircraft Serial Number         : DMO-282
> Aircraft Manufacturer          : MARTINO THOMAS G
>         Model                : VELCITY 173 ELITE RG
> Engine   Manufacturer         : LYCOMING
>         Model                : IO-540 SER
> Aircraft Year                 : 2004
> Owner Name                    : MARTINO THOMAS G
> Owner Address                 : 7900 FOX CREEK TRL
>                                 FRANKTOWN, CO, 80116-9667
> Type of Owner                 : Individual
> Registration Date             : 18-Nov-2004
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations            : Amateur Built
>
>
>
> Best... Steve
>
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