REFLECTOR: Fuel/Oil leak

Tue Apr 24 08:58:49 CDT 2007

After I park my plane, the sniffle valve leaks a small amount ( stain about 
3" dia.) of fule/oil mixture, it has just started doing this. I have an 
IO-360 with 540 cylinders and high compression pistons in my Velocity. 
Anyone know what may be causing this and if it's something I need to worry 
about?

Dean Unterreiner

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>   1. Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Richard J. Gentil)
>   2. Re:  JPI, was Re: Fuel Probes (Scott Derrick)
>   3.  SAP  was Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Scott Derrick)
>   4.  Blue Mountain EIFS (Dr. Golf) (David Ullman)
>   5. Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS (Darrell & Nora Kufalk)
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:35:32 -0400
> From: "Richard J. Gentil" <richard at naples-air-center.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> Since everyone is all fired up in there, lets see if we cannot toss a
> little gasoline on it.
>
> Superior Air Parts, at Sun'n Fun said that the engine I had the deposit
> on since last June, now has a Sept build date.  Then when I called them
> on it today, they told me that the Sept build date was only for the non
> S.R.E. XP-400s, they cannot say when they will actually have a firm date
> for me, so I am now in need of an engine.
>
> Superior, has not phoned since last year, when they once phoned and told
> me, my build date was going to be missed for last year. I keep calling
> each time it gets close to the date they told me, and when I call, they
> do not have a clue what is going on with my build, it takes them hours
> to call me back with the bad news.
>
> But, that is life, time to move on and find something else.
>
> Richard
>
> P.S. Little secret I found out today, their 250hp is figured at 2900rpm!
> =-O
>
> Christopher Barber wrote:
>> Yeah, what Dave said.  We are still focused on Velocity flying
>> issues....unlike many other list and forums, we have not fallen into a
>> political tirade......What I look at while flying is relevant.
>>
>> Also, I do not think this is some big discussion about litigation or 
>> slamin'
>> Blue Mountain, but a conversation of similarly situated folks comparing
>> notes and bouncing off idea.  Yeah, it may get more involved, but then
>> again, maybe not.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> Hi Dave, hope all is well.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Christopher Barber
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
>> Behalf Of David Staten
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 5:14 PM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>
>>
>> If it can be installed on a velocity, then I have no problem with it
>> being discussed here.
>>
>> you CAN block an entire thread with your mail client if you choose to.
>> Or delete.. or just not read it.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>> Dave
>>
>> Dr. Golf wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Please!
>>> This is a Velocity site, NOT and EFIS site. GRT has
>>> its own site and I assume all the others have as well.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joel
>>>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:48:17 -0600
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: JPI, was Re: Fuel Probes
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:50:33 -0600
> From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: SAP  was Re:  Blue Mountain EIFS
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:35:36 -0700
> From: "David Ullman" <ullman at robustdecisions.com>
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS (Dr. Golf)
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> Dr. David G. Ullman, Phd ME, PE
> Robust Decisions Inc.
> 1655 NW Hillcrest Drive
> Corvallis, Oregon 97330
> direct 541-754-3609
> ullman at robustdecisions.com
> www.robustdecisions.com
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> Speaking as a newbe, the EFIS discussion is very valuable as I will be
> buying one for my Velocity next year.
>
> Dr. David G. Ullman, Phd ME, PE
> Robust Decisions Inc.
> 1655 NW Hillcrest Drive
> Corvallis, Oregon 97330
> direct 541-754-3609
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:18:40 -0500
> From: "Darrell & Nora Kufalk" <kufalk at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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> More rumors form the BMA message board.  As always, take for what it's
> worth.
>
> This is a report from SnF by Ira Rampil (an Europa driver)...
>
> Greg is trying to find a way to replace the transmeta CPU in the G2/3
> systems with the newer faster type. The G4 processor is 4x faster.
> So far no joy, but he is not giving up. The current G3/4 CPU is just
> not fast enough for ADI synth vision and scaling terrain with wx graphics.
> I feel the pain here since I am in the same boat with my gold box.
>
> I just remind myself that it still works just fine for what it current 
> does
> and
> if I really want wx I can add a Lite or a 496 to my panel for that matter.
> Speaking of Garmin, were not these the guys who were 3-4 late on their
> WAAS update and when it finally came they want about $4k for it?
>
> Other tidbits for the benefit of all here is to ask technical questions of
> Greg, Larry and Ross. Don't bet the farm on the stuff spouted by
> non-outsiders (that should include me). The boys are often quite amused
> at what passes for knowledge here, but don't get to correct every ditzel
> since they are working their buts off improving the product.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Alex
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:05 AM
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>
> They said that they will "support" the old unit as in possible software
> glitch fixes and the updates to current maps, but no new features, and 
> since
> they can not get any replacement motherboards, it is just a matter time
> before the  unit turns to nose ballast. Sheila said that they have been
> looking for replacement processors for a long time with no luck, but she 
> is
> still looking- well, that just doesn't instill a lot of confidence for 
> me...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Ellzey
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>
> Tom,
>
> I also have an EFIS-One gold box not yet installed and was also told that
> they (BM) was working on the range scaling for the map graphics. I also 
> was
> under the misconception that the G3 units would be supported for many 
> years
> (software and hardware)or I wouldn't have purchased it.
>
> Andy Ellzey
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex" <alex157 at pwhome.com>
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:25 AM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>
>
>> Hi Tom-
>> I will attempt to collect as many folks as we can for this-  I believe 
>> the
>> basis for this is that we were definitely misled- I have the old sales
>> brochure and it says there, and I quote:
>>
>> "It Just Gets Better
>> As new software is developed it will be available for your EIFS one as
>> part
>> of our subscription service. The EIFS One is the only instrument in your
>> panel that just keeps getting better"
>>
>> Add to that the rest of the pamphlet that clearly shows the Gold Box
>> connecting to WX 500 and WSI weather, which it never has and apparently
>> never will do, and I think that we definitely have false advertising 
>> here-
>> I have not even installed my unit- only made the cut out in the panel- so
>> they really should not have a problem taking mine back - although they
>> said
>> they could "possibly give me some trade in credit" towards a G4- I didn't
>> even ask for the details,  I know it didn't mean that they would not
>> directly trade it out-
>> I am not saying that it has no value, I am not saying that it will not 
>> "do
>> everything it did when I bought it"
>> Just that the reason I chose to buy it over the other available units was
>> that it would be regularly upgraded with new features as they came along.
>> BM's Larry tried to play lawyer with his "did we specifically tell you
>> that
>> you could zoom the maps" so if they want to play that game, I am more 
>> than
>> willing to participate. I spoke with Dave Bertram, he said that they told
>> him that it would take XM weather in the future. I asked them about that
>> specifically, they said "can't be done" so that is a direct lie to him as
>> well. I will contact you off the reflector for more details about this-
>> definitely prepared to chip in to get this situation corrected.........
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Martino
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:14 PM
>> To: Velocity List
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>> It pissed me off when I found out the "Gold Box" is limited.  However,
>> even
>> with its limits it does a great job.  BUT ... I still feel abandoned.
>>
>> Greg is very casual about the fact that the board manufacturer is "out of
>> business".
>>
>> II realize this happens with a  lot of technology (early adopters are
>> often
>> screwed).
>>
>> HOWEVER ... What makes this case DIFFERENT is that BMA mislead us into
>> believing our "gold boxes" would be upgradeable with software.
>>
>> So, here is my proposal ... get me names and contact information of early
>> adopters who feel they were mislead and I will pursue a class action law
>> suit for the sole purpose of getting us newer units.  We may have to chip
>> in
>> a few bucks for expenses ... but I will not charge any legal fees.
>>
>> I was going to this before ... but I did not want to do it for just
>> myself.
>>
>> My email:  tmartino at troubleshooter.com  (I am used to fights like this 
>> ...
>> TRUST ME).
>>
>> Tom Martino
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/22/07 8:46 PM, "Alex" <alex157 at pwhome.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well- no effect for those who have not received theirs yet/ or have
>>> the G4
>>> unit- so all is well for you guys- my main problem was that the big
>>> sell ( and I want everyone to tell me if I am wrong about this) is
>>> that their unit would be software upgradeable to keep it fairly
>>> current- the only upgrades I have heard anyone getting from Blue
>>> Mountain have been related to map currency or problem fixes. - they
>>> claimed when I ordered and paid for mine that it would eventually
>>> display WX-500 data, and current weather,  and in the future, and that
>>> they were working out how to display traffic. I received mine in Feb
>>> of 2006- not too long ago- it is the older style with the separate
>>> gold box- new units have everything built into the display
>>> unit- I was watching Greg do his schpeal and noticed that the new
>>> units have a USB port on the front- so I just asked how exactly I get
>>> my updates via the internet so get current with the software- he
>>> determined that I have a
>>> G2 unit (not sure what happened to G3) and that the technology in that
>>> box is 10 years old, and NOT Upgradeable, in fact, I found out that
>>> the manufacturer of the board is no longer in business, so I am not
>>> sure how long they will be able to support it if there is a physical
>>> problem. I did find out that I can get a basic terrain view, but it is
>>> on only a single pre-set scale- I was a bit shocked about this since I
>>> have flown with a $200 PDA that had fully scaleable mapping, in fact
>>> it would auto-zoom when you reached your destination so you can see
>>> where you are in the airport environment. Greg just said repeatedly "
>>> it does exactly what it did when you bought it" and it isn't his fault
>>> that the features like WX-500 display (dropped apparently due to lack
>>> of interest) and weather depiction are never going to be available on a
>> "gold box" unit, nor is map scaling.
>>> The second day, I went to visit with them after sleeping on this, and
>>> spoke with Larry and Sheila about this situation, since Greg was not
>>> there when I
>>> arrived- they got pretty agitated with me even asking about this
>>> subject and gave me a "too bad for you" kind of response- even asked
>>> me if I had asked anyone at blue mountain specifically if the maps
>>> zoomed  before I bought it and thereby if they had lied about that- my
>>> response was that I did not ask because it is such a basic function of
>>> having a moving map that I would not even think to ask- kind of like
>>> asking of the radio in your new Mercedes receives FM signals- not to
>>> mention that EVERY other moving map company represented at SNF - and
>>> there
>> were a lot of them - had zoom- and lots of
>>> other features not present on the $15k Blue mountain-   they just kept
>>> saying that the hardware in the gold box is 10 old technology,(despite
>>> the fact that I had it only 14 months),  that not physically
>>> upgradeable (non- socketed processor and memory) and it was too slow to
>> allow for map zooming.
>>>
>>> My main reason to buy their box was the fact that the magic internal
>>> workings were software related and would be regularly upgraded as new
>>> features became available, I believe that this was the basis of their
>>> sales
>>> pitch- at least it was to me-  I know I was promised WX display and
>>> WSI
>>> weather- even checked their sales brochure when I got home and said
>>> right there in big letters about that too- so now I will see how many
>>> other folks have this problem or feel that this is a problem, and take 
>>> it
>> from there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Richard J. Gentil
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:49 PM
>>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>>>
>>> Hey Alex,
>>>
>>> I have a new Dual EFIS/ONE waiting for delivery when I am to the point
>>> of installing my panel.
>>>
>>> What did you find out?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Alex wrote:
>>>> Hello Everyone-
>>>> Just back from Sun N Fun, and I had an "interesting" talk with the
>>>> Blue Mountain folks about what the system does and does not do, and
>>>> what they promised would be available for those of us who purchased
>>>> it- can I please request a show of hands from anyone that has/had one
>>>> of their EIFS one units for some further discussions on this
>>>> subject........ Anyone else that is not on the reflector - Rvators ect.
>>> would also be helpful to speak with.
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>>
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