REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS

Mon Apr 23 17:03:11 CDT 2007

Two good sites that have streaming of my show ( ALL TIMES EASTERN STANDARD
TIME):

10:00am to Noon - www.KTRH.com

Noon to 2:00pm - www.KHOW.com

On 4/23/07 4:22 AM, "Christopher Barber" <CBarber at texasattorney.net> wrote:

> I must interject this little comment......Y'ALL DO KNOW WHO TOM MARTINO IS
> DON'T YA???????
> 
> He is NOT some half-baked litigation hound who wants to sue everyone (I do
> not even know if he is a lawyer, but I know he knows some...if it should
> come to that).  He IS "THE" radio personality who's show's entire focus is
> advocacy for CONSUMERS.  His show is big down here in Houston.  He is the
> one to know exactly how to handle this, IMAO (In My Arrogant Opinion). His
> shows tone is adamant but reasoned. If y'all were "wronged" and/or "misled"
> you should have redress.  Even though the Blue Mountain is chump change
> COMPARED to the likes of the G1000 or Chelton etc, it is still expensive and
> you deserve to receive what you bargained for in you purchase.  BTW, I have
> had passing contacts with Greg and I don't think he is some evil guy, just
> dropping the ball in this issue from what I have read here.
> 
> I, on the other hand, am just a poor little public servant acting dutiful in
> my job as a police officer and accordingly bought the Dynon D-100.  Yes, a
> much less capable unit, but so for the upgrades, support and now even
> hardware upgrades with the use of add-on hardware modules makes me currently
> a happy consumer........so far <g>.  FWIW.
> 
> Tom, are you available online (streaming, podcast?) yet? Since I don't
> believe you are available in all markets,  that access would be a nice
> introduction to the rest of the group.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Chris
> 
> Christopher Barber
> Attorney and Counselor at Law
> 5110 Bissonnet, No 418
> Bellaire, Texas 77401
> 
> Serving the Needs of Senior Texans
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
> Behalf Of Tom Martino
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:14 PM
> To: Velocity List
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
> 
> 
> Alex,
> 
> It pissed me off when I found out the "Gold Box" is limited.  However, even
> with its limits it does a great job.  BUT ... I still feel abandoned.
> 
> Greg is very casual about the fact that the board manufacturer is "out of
> business".
> 
> II realize this happens with a  lot of technology (early adopters are often
> screwed).
> 
> HOWEVER ... What makes this case DIFFERENT is that BMA mislead us into
> believing our "gold boxes" would be upgradeable with software.
> 
> So, here is my proposal ... get me names and contact information of early
> adopters who feel they were mislead and I will pursue a class action law
> suit for the sole purpose of getting us newer units.  We may have to chip in
> a few bucks for expenses ... but I will not charge any legal fees.
> 
> I was going to this before ... but I did not want to do it for just myself.
> 
> My email:  tmartino at troubleshooter.com  (I am used to fights like this ...
> TRUST ME).
> 
> Tom Martino
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/22/07 8:46 PM, "Alex" <alex157 at pwhome.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well- no effect for those who have not received theirs yet/ or have the G4
>> unit- so all is well for you guys- my main problem was that the big sell (
>> and I want everyone to tell me if I am wrong about this) is that their
> unit
>> would be software upgradeable to keep it fairly current- the only upgrades
> I
>> have heard anyone getting from Blue Mountain have been related to map
>> currency or problem fixes. - they claimed when I ordered and paid for mine
>> that it would eventually  display WX-500 data, and current weather,  and
> in
>> the future, and that they were working out how to display traffic. I
>> received mine in Feb of 2006- not too long ago- it is the older style with
>> the separate gold box- new units have everything built into the display
>> unit- I was watching Greg do his schpeal and noticed that the new units
> have
>> a USB port on the front- so I just asked how exactly I get my updates via
>> the internet so get current with the software- he determined that I have a
>> G2 unit (not sure what happened to G3) and that the technology in that box
>> is 10 years old, and NOT Upgradeable, in fact, I found out that the
>> manufacturer of the board is no longer in business, so I am not sure how
>> long they will be able to support it if there is a physical problem. I did
>> find out that I can get a basic terrain view, but it is on only a single
>> pre-set scale- I was a bit shocked about this since I have flown with a
> $200
>> PDA that had fully scaleable mapping, in fact it would auto-zoom when you
>> reached your destination so you can see where you are in the airport
>> environment. Greg just said repeatedly " it does exactly what it did when
>> you bought it" and it isn't his fault that the features like WX-500
> display
>> (dropped apparently due to lack of interest) and weather depiction are
> never
>> going to be available on a "gold box" unit, nor is map scaling.
>> The second day, I went to visit with them after sleeping on this, and
> spoke
>> with Larry and Sheila about this situation, since Greg was not there when
> I
>> arrived- they got pretty agitated with me even asking about this subject
> and
>> gave me a "too bad for you" kind of response- even asked me if I had asked
>> anyone at blue mountain specifically if the maps zoomed  before I bought
> it
>> and thereby if they had lied about that- my response was that I did not
> ask
>> because it is such a basic function of having a moving map that I would
> not
>> even think to ask- kind of like asking of the radio in your new Mercedes
>> receives FM signals- not to mention that EVERY other moving map company
>> represented at SNF - and there were a lot of them - had zoom- and lots of
>> other features not present on the $15k Blue mountain-   they just kept
>> saying that the hardware in the gold box is 10 old technology,(despite the
>> fact that I had it only 14 months),  that not physically upgradeable (non-
>> socketed processor and memory) and it was too slow to allow for map
> zooming.
>> 
>> My main reason to buy their box was the fact that the magic internal
>> workings were software related and would be regularly upgraded as new
>> features became available, I believe that this was the basis of their
> sales
>> pitch- at least it was to me-  I know I was promised WX display and WSI
>> weather- even checked their sales brochure when I got home and said right
>> there in big letters about that too- so now I will see how many other
> folks
>> have this problem or feel that this is a problem, and take it from there.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Richard J. Gentil
>> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:49 PM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Blue Mountain EIFS
>> 
>> Hey Alex,
>> 
>> I have a new Dual EFIS/ONE waiting for delivery when I am to the point of
>> installing my panel.
>> 
>> What did you find out?
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Alex wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone-
>>> Just back from Sun N Fun, and I had an "interesting" talk with the
>>> Blue Mountain folks about what the system does and does not do, and
>>> what they promised would be available for those of us who purchased
>>> it- can I please request a show of hands from anyone that has/had one
>>> of their EIFS one units for some further discussions on this
>>> subject........ Anyone else that is not on the reflector - Rvators ect.
>> would also be helpful to speak with.
>>> 
>>> Alex
>>> 
>>> 
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