REFLECTOR: RE: Test area

[Wayne]

Hi Jerry,

Maybe cool early morning would help. 3000 feet altitude isn't a huge help.
I just met your neighbor Rod Kauber..
Wayne

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From: "Velocity_AZ" <velocity_az at cox.net>
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: RE: Test area


> What type of engine do you have? Do you have a constant speed prop? 
> Unless
> you're turbo-charged, it sounds a little scary to me.
>
> I have a 173FG with an IO-360 (with 10:1 pistons) which produces 230hp + 
> an
> M-T constant speed prop (1630 empty weight).  My airport is at 1500' with 
> a
> 4500' runway.  I can use over 50% of the runway with only two people on
> board with 40 gallons (2/3 full) to reach 70-75 kts (which I think is
> comfortable for rotation speed).  While the 173 is supposedly more stable 
> in
> flight - we definitely gave up speed and added weight with these big 
> wings.
> You could use even more runway if you need center-line correction (read:
> differential braking) during take-off.
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Teitsma
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:26 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: RE: Test area
>
> I have a unique problem.  I am nearing time to fly my 173 Elite FG.  My
> plane is in a hangar at GNB - Granby CO airport.  I have a 5,000 ft paved
> runway but have an altitude of about 8200 ft.  For reasons of engine
> break-in and safety, I am considering disassembling and taking the plane 
> to
> the Denver area - 3,000 feet lower.  Will that help sufficiently?  To get 
> to
> a lower altitude than that, I would be traveling a good ways and to an
> unknown area.  Trailering the plane out of state would require a wide load
> permit and a lot of hassle.  Any suggestions?
>
> Jerry Teitsma, RRC, RRO, CCCA
> RCI, Inc
> PO Box 796, Granby CO 80446 (USPS mail/shipping)
> 36 Lodgepole Ct, Granby CO 80446 (UPS/FedEx shipping) 970-887-3910
> (Phone/Fax) jerryteits at comcast.net
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>>   1. RE:  Test Area - and "essential crew" (Hiroo Umeno)
>>   2. Re:  Flyoff Area - and "essential crew" (michalk)
>>   3. Re:  Another step (John Overman)
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>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:47:58 -0700
>> From: "Hiroo Umeno" <humeno at microsoft.com>
>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Test Area - and "essential crew"
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>> Quite interesting indeed...
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like much depends on the DAR.  I've always thought having
>> another body in the right seat with a clipboard would be quite handy for
>> the flight testing as I need to rattle off some numbers and have them
>> jot down as I go along.  For things like when the pitch buck starts,
>> things that happen during take-off and landing rolls, buffeting, etc
>> when I will be quite busy flying the plane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Definitely something to ask the DAR about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, all for good discussions!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hiroo
>>
>>
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>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Al Gietzen
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:52 AM
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Test Area - and "essential crew"
>>
>>
>>
>>  My
>>
>> understanding of the FAR was that you can only land at one field during
>>
>> the Phase 1 and will have a box somewhere nearby over sparsely populated
>>
>> areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> That was my understanding as well, but while discussing possible other
>> landing strips in my test area for emergency landing, my DAR indicated I
>> could land at any field of my choice at any time.  Nothing in the
>> operating limitations limiting where I land within the test area.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other interesting thing is the change in wording on the operating
>> limitations regarding other people in the plane.  Previous wording I had
>> seen was no one besides the pilot and "essential crew".  By the FAA's
>> definition, there is no essential crew in a single engine airplane.  The
>> wording on mine now says "only persons essential to the purpose of the
>> flight".  My DAR says someone to take data, or other actions for a
>> particular test purpose, during the flight is quite alright.
>>
>>
>>
>> So maybe it depends on the discretion of the DAR; which doesn't really
>> seem appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> I would love to be able to fly the plane down to its home field once a
>>
>> couple flights is done to continue its fly-off.  They have a longer
>>
>> runway (enough for 747s and 777s.), it is a controlled field and have a
>>
>> much better support in terms of FBOs and emergency equipments
>>
>> (hopefully, I won't need their services but it is always nice to know
>>
>> they're there).
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like there is some flexibility in the regs to make arrangements
>>
>> like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hiroo
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>
>> Behalf Of Richard Riley
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:45 PM
>>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
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>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Another step
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Congrats from DU Al....now how ya gonna fly off
>>
>>>the 40 hrs within 2 weeks so you can get this beast down to the
>>
>> symposium?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll let you all in on a little secret.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 99 we were finishing a plane to run at
>>
>> Reno.  We did a year's worth of work in about 6
>>
>> weeks.  Got it done a few days before the race.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a DAR who'd never inspected a homebuilt
>>
>> before.  He didn't know what homebuilt flight
>>
>> limitations normally looked like.  So I typed them up for him.
>>
>>
>>
>> We got a test area that was a 25 mile radius
>>
>> around Camarillo airport, where we did the first
>>
>> flight.   But, we were allowed to test out of a
>>
>> couple of other airports too.  We had a 25 mile
>>
>> radius around Mojave and Fox, and a 10 mile corridor between them.
>>
>>
>>
>> And 25 miles around Chino, and a corridor there.
>>
>>
>>
>> And 25 miles around Stead.  And a corridor there.
>>
>>
>>
>> And that's how it was that were racing at Reno
>>
>> with an airplane that had it's first flight 4 days earlier.
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:20:26 -0500
>> From: michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flyoff Area - and "essential crew"
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>> How about getting this verbage as part of test conditions?  Actually
>> have it stated that a second person may be present to collect data?
>>
>> Hiroo Umeno wrote:
>>> Quite interesting indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems like much depends on the DAR.  I've always thought having
>>> another body in the right seat with a clipboard would be quite handy for
>>> the flight testing as I need to rattle off some numbers and have them
>>> jot down as I go along.  For things like when the pitch buck starts,
>>> things that happen during take-off and landing rolls, buffeting, etc
>>> when I will be quite busy flying the plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely something to ask the DAR about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, all for good discussions!
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Overman <mooneydryver at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Another step
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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>> Congratulations Al; Judging by the pictures you have
>> posted from time to time It looks like you have a
>> beautifully built airplane. I hope it flies as good as
>> it looks
>>                          John
>>
>> --- Al Gietzen <ALVentures at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Today Velocity N755V received its FAA certification
>>> of airworthiness.
>>> Hooray!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
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