REFLECTOR: RE: Test area

[michalk]

The secret to break in is low ring temperatures BEFORE the rings have 
seated against the cylinders.  The fastest way to break in the engine is 
with high manifold pressures.

Strictly speaking without addressing safety:
For the engine break in you will be okay.  Keep the CHT's low, and the 
MAP as high as reasonable (no detonation allowed).  If you want to take 
off and fly to the lower altitude it's not going to damage the engine as 
long as you keep the rings cool.

If you have other concerns related to safety, that's your call.  I'm 
only talking about the break in.


Jerry Teitsma wrote:
> I have a unique problem.  I am nearing time to fly my 173 Elite FG.  My 
> plane is in a hangar at GNB - Granby CO airport.  I have a 5,000 ft 
> paved runway but have an altitude of about 8200 ft.  For reasons of 
> engine break-in and safety, I am considering disassembling and taking 
> the plane to the Denver area - 3,000 feet lower.  Will that help 
> sufficiently?  To get to a lower altitude than that, I would be 
> traveling a good ways and to an unknown area.  Trailering the plane out 
> of state would require a wide load permit and a lot of hassle.  Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Jerry Teitsma, RRC, RRO, CCCA
> RCI, Inc
> PO Box 796, Granby CO 80446 (USPS mail/shipping)
> 36 Lodgepole Ct, Granby CO 80446 (UPS/FedEx shipping)
> 970-887-3910 (Phone/Fax)
> jerryteits at comcast.net
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <reflector-request at tvbf.org>
> To: <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:51 PM
> Subject: Reflector Digest, Vol 24, Issue 18
> 
> 
>> Send Reflector mailing list submissions to
>> reflector at tvbf.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> reflector-request at tvbf.org
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> reflector-owner at tvbf.org
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Reflector digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. RE:  Test Area - and "essential crew" (Hiroo Umeno)
>>   2. Re:  Flyoff Area - and "essential crew" (michalk)
>>   3. Re:  Another step (John Overman)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:47:58 -0700
>> From: "Hiroo Umeno" <humeno at microsoft.com>
>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Test Area - and "essential crew"
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <CC381FC09CE81C43BF0C63966BF4C66F0268DCD5 at RED-MSG-11.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> 
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Quite interesting indeed...
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems like much depends on the DAR.  I've always thought having
>> another body in the right seat with a clipboard would be quite handy for
>> the flight testing as I need to rattle off some numbers and have them
>> jot down as I go along.  For things like when the pitch buck starts,
>> things that happen during take-off and landing rolls, buffeting, etc
>> when I will be quite busy flying the plane.
>>
>>
>>
>> Definitely something to ask the DAR about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, all for good discussions!
>>
>>
>>
>> Hiroo
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Al Gietzen
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:52 AM
>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Test Area - and "essential crew"
>>
>>
>>
>>  My
>>
>> understanding of the FAR was that you can only land at one field during
>>
>> the Phase 1 and will have a box somewhere nearby over sparsely populated
>>
>> areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> That was my understanding as well, but while discussing possible other
>> landing strips in my test area for emergency landing, my DAR indicated I
>> could land at any field of my choice at any time.  Nothing in the
>> operating limitations limiting where I land within the test area.
>>
>>
>>
>> The other interesting thing is the change in wording on the operating
>> limitations regarding other people in the plane.  Previous wording I had
>> seen was no one besides the pilot and "essential crew".  By the FAA's
>> definition, there is no essential crew in a single engine airplane.  The
>> wording on mine now says "only persons essential to the purpose of the
>> flight".  My DAR says someone to take data, or other actions for a
>> particular test purpose, during the flight is quite alright.
>>
>>
>>
>> So maybe it depends on the discretion of the DAR; which doesn't really
>> seem appropriate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>
>> I would love to be able to fly the plane down to its home field once a
>>
>> couple flights is done to continue its fly-off.  They have a longer
>>
>> runway (enough for 747s and 777s.), it is a controlled field and have a
>>
>> much better support in terms of FBOs and emergency equipments
>>
>> (hopefully, I won't need their services but it is always nice to know
>>
>> they're there).
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like there is some flexibility in the regs to make arrangements
>>
>> like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hiroo
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>>
>> Behalf Of Richard Riley
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:45 PM
>>
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>
>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Another step
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:29 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Congrats from DU Al....now how ya gonna fly off
>>
>>
>>> the 40 hrs within 2 weeks so you can get this beast down to the
>>
>>
>> symposium?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll let you all in on a little secret.
>>
>>
>>
>> In 99 we were finishing a plane to run at
>>
>> Reno.  We did a year's worth of work in about 6
>>
>> weeks.  Got it done a few days before the race.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a DAR who'd never inspected a homebuilt
>>
>> before.  He didn't know what homebuilt flight
>>
>> limitations normally looked like.  So I typed them up for him.
>>
>>
>>
>> We got a test area that was a 25 mile radius
>>
>> around Camarillo airport, where we did the first
>>
>> flight.   But, we were allowed to test out of a
>>
>> couple of other airports too.  We had a 25 mile
>>
>> radius around Mojave and Fox, and a 10 mile corridor between them.
>>
>>
>>
>> And 25 miles around Chino, and a corridor there.
>>
>>
>>
>> And 25 miles around Stead.  And a corridor there.
>>
>>
>>
>> And that's how it was that were racing at Reno
>>
>> with an airplane that had it's first flight 4 days earlier.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>>
>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>>
>> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 5/8/2006
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> To change your email address, visit
>>
>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit the gallery!  www.tvbf.org/gallery
>>
>> user:pw =vbf:jamaicangoose
>>
>> Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
>>
>> Check old archives: http://www.tvbf.org/archives/velocity/maillist.html
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> To change your email address, visit
>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit the gallery!  www.tvbf.org/gallery
>>
>> user:pw =vbf:jamaicangoose
>>
>> Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
>>
>> Check old archives: http://www.tvbf.org/archives/velocity/maillist.html
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>> URL: 
>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/private/reflector/attachments/20060510/4bceb2d8/attachment-0001.html 
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:20:26 -0500
>> From: michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Flyoff Area - and "essential crew"
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID: <44623CFA.2010108 at awpi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> How about getting this verbage as part of test conditions?  Actually
>> have it stated that a second person may be present to collect data?
>>
>> Hiroo Umeno wrote:
>>
>>> Quite interesting indeed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems like much depends on the DAR.  I've always thought having
>>> another body in the right seat with a clipboard would be quite handy for
>>> the flight testing as I need to rattle off some numbers and have them
>>> jot down as I go along.  For things like when the pitch buck starts,
>>> things that happen during take-off and landing rolls, buffeting, etc
>>> when I will be quite busy flying the plane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Definitely something to ask the DAR about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, all for good discussions!
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: John Overman <mooneydryver at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Another step
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Message-ID: <20060510194034.63011.qmail at web52701.mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Congratulations Al; Judging by the pictures you have
>> posted from time to time It looks like you have a
>> beautifully built airplane. I hope it flies as good as
>> it looks
>>                          John
>>
>> --- Al Gietzen <ALVentures at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Today Velocity N755V received its FAA certification
>>> of airworthiness.
>>> Hooray!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> To change your email address, visit
>>> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
>>>
>>> Visit the gallery!  www.tvbf.org/gallery
>>> user:pw = tvbf:jamaicangoose
>>> Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
>>> Check old archives:
>>
>> http://www.tvbf.org/archives/velocity/maillist.html
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Visit the gallery!  tvbf:jamaicangoose
>>
>> End of Reflector Digest, Vol 24, Issue 18
>> ***************************************** 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To change your email address, visit 
> http://www.tvbf.org/mailman/listinfo/reflector
> 
> Visit the gallery!  www.tvbf.org/gallery
> user:pw = tvbf:jamaicangoose
> Check new archives: www.tvbf.org/pipermail
> Check old archives: http://www.tvbf.org/archives/velocity/maillist.html