REFLECTOR: Symposium

Wayne wowens at darientel.net
Sat Mar 4 12:15:17 CST 2006


Sorry didn't mean to cast aspersions on the symposium. The FAA couldn't 
catch all of us anyway.
Wayne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Milton Mersky" <miltonm at airmail.net>
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice


> Wayne:
>
> The airport for the symposium in Dallas is called Grayson County. The
> FAA is still not aware of the airport location. Come to the symposium.
>
> milt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Wayne
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>
> One of the wood prop manufacturers sells  'super nine" bolts as his prop
>
> bolts. They are more ductile than grade 8 and have higher tensile
> strength
> than grade 8 or aircraft bolts. The bolts are also available from MSC
> and
> the spec for the locking nut that comes with them is for one time use.
> The
> nuts were about $20 for a hundred. My inspector approved them for me.
> They
> don't make an MS or AN  1/2 inch bolt  in the length I require.
> Don't think I will be going to Texas if the FAA  there  is that
> desperate
> for something  to worry about.
>
> Wayne
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andrew Ellzey" <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>
>
>>I think that the FAA is reaching to say that it is unsafe not to have a
>
>>spinner on a pusher aircraft. As far as safety wire on your prop bolts,
>
>>they have raised a valid issue. The question is have you ever found
> your
>>prop bolts loose? And if so, how many hours had you flown before they
> were
>>found? You could add the safety wire and have a schedule for checking
> your
>>prop bolts after so many hours. What did the FAA inspector that granted
> the
>>experimental certificate say about this issue? You should contact the
>>inspector that sited you and express your concerns, and your prop
> makers
>>original direction of checking the torque before every flight. There is
> a
>>reason our aircraft are called experimental. Is this requirement stated
> in
>>you aircraft flight manual? If so I would think the FAA would agree
> that
>>you are OK. If not, request to add it because of your concerns. You
> should
>>get his reply in writing. Keep records of all your communications with
> the
>>FAA. If he rules against your concerns, ask what regulation he is using
> for
>>his ruling. Let everyone know your findings.
>>
>> My personal thoughts, I wouldn't like flying around (without) safety
> wire
>> on my prop. I would think that you should know how many hours you
> could
>> fly before a re-torque would be needed from your experience on any
> loose
>> bolt findings. If you have found that your prop was loose, was it from
> the
>> fact that there wasn't any safety wire, or the prop hub compressing? I
>
>> wouldn't like either one.
>>
>> Andy Ellzey A&P
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Wayne" <wowens at darientel.net>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>>
>>
>>> It seems to me that the manufacturer  determines whether the aircraft
>
>>> requires a spinner.
>>> Does the 43-13 show anywhere where all aircraft require a spinner?
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Joe Ewen" <jewen at comporium.net>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>>>
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> Please let us know what you find out.  I also have an IVO (not
> flying
>>>> yet.) Do you have the electric adjustable? If so, may I ask what
> spinner
>>>> you are using.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "John Dibble" <aminetech at bluefrog.com>
>>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
> <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:27 PM
>>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> While parked in the friendly state of TX last weekend an inspector
>>>>> determined that
>>>>> conditions exist that are considered to be an imminent hazard to
> safety
>>>>> (hmm, is
>>>>> safety in danger somehow?) and sent me a notice.  Two items are 1-
> no
>>>>> prop spinner
>>>>> installed, and 2- no prop restraint bolts.  I have the IVO prop and
> as
>>>>> others have
>>>>> commented, I leave the spinner off because I check the bolt torque
> each
>>>>> time I fly.  I
>>>>> contacted IVO.  The technical response was that they don't want
> safety
>>>>> wire because
>>>>> they want me to check the torque often.  Also they feel the
> locknuts
>>>>> and safety tape
>>>>> between the blades will assure the bolts are tight.  Their legal
>>>>> response was do
>>>>> whatever the FAA tells me to do.
>>>>> On the back of the notice is says that there is no penalty if I
> don't
>>>>> respond, but
>>>>> that operation in an unairworthy condition violates FAA
> regulations.
>>>>> I will appreciate any comments on what to do.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
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