REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice

Milton Mersky miltonm at airmail.net
Sat Mar 4 11:31:09 CST 2006


Wayne:

The airport for the symposium in Dallas is called Grayson County. The
FAA is still not aware of the airport location. Come to the symposium.

milt 

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Wayne
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:22 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice

One of the wood prop manufacturers sells  'super nine" bolts as his prop

bolts. They are more ductile than grade 8 and have higher tensile
strength 
than grade 8 or aircraft bolts. The bolts are also available from MSC
and 
the spec for the locking nut that comes with them is for one time use.
The 
nuts were about $20 for a hundred. My inspector approved them for me.
They 
don't make an MS or AN  1/2 inch bolt  in the length I require.
Don't think I will be going to Texas if the FAA  there  is that
desperate 
for something  to worry about.

Wayne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Ellzey" <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice


>I think that the FAA is reaching to say that it is unsafe not to have a

>spinner on a pusher aircraft. As far as safety wire on your prop bolts,

>they have raised a valid issue. The question is have you ever found
your 
>prop bolts loose? And if so, how many hours had you flown before they
were 
>found? You could add the safety wire and have a schedule for checking
your 
>prop bolts after so many hours. What did the FAA inspector that granted
the 
>experimental certificate say about this issue? You should contact the 
>inspector that sited you and express your concerns, and your prop
makers 
>original direction of checking the torque before every flight. There is
a 
>reason our aircraft are called experimental. Is this requirement stated
in 
>you aircraft flight manual? If so I would think the FAA would agree
that 
>you are OK. If not, request to add it because of your concerns. You
should 
>get his reply in writing. Keep records of all your communications with
the 
>FAA. If he rules against your concerns, ask what regulation he is using
for 
>his ruling. Let everyone know your findings.
>
> My personal thoughts, I wouldn't like flying around (without) safety
wire 
> on my prop. I would think that you should know how many hours you
could 
> fly before a re-torque would be needed from your experience on any
loose 
> bolt findings. If you have found that your prop was loose, was it from
the 
> fact that there wasn't any safety wire, or the prop hub compressing? I

> wouldn't like either one.
>
> Andy Ellzey A&P
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne" <wowens at darientel.net>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>
>
>> It seems to me that the manufacturer  determines whether the aircraft

>> requires a spinner.
>> Does the 43-13 show anywhere where all aircraft require a spinner?
>> Wayne
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Joe Ewen" <jewen at comporium.net>
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>> Please let us know what you find out.  I also have an IVO (not
flying 
>>> yet.) Do you have the electric adjustable? If so, may I ask what
spinner 
>>> you are using.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John Dibble" <aminetech at bluefrog.com>
>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
<reflector at tvbf.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:27 PM
>>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Aircraft Condition Notice
>>>
>>>
>>>> While parked in the friendly state of TX last weekend an inspector 
>>>> determined that
>>>> conditions exist that are considered to be an imminent hazard to
safety 
>>>> (hmm, is
>>>> safety in danger somehow?) and sent me a notice.  Two items are 1-
no 
>>>> prop spinner
>>>> installed, and 2- no prop restraint bolts.  I have the IVO prop and
as 
>>>> others have
>>>> commented, I leave the spinner off because I check the bolt torque
each 
>>>> time I fly.  I
>>>> contacted IVO.  The technical response was that they don't want
safety 
>>>> wire because
>>>> they want me to check the torque often.  Also they feel the
locknuts 
>>>> and safety tape
>>>> between the blades will assure the bolts are tight.  Their legal 
>>>> response was do
>>>> whatever the FAA tells me to do.
>>>> On the back of the notice is says that there is no penalty if I
don't 
>>>> respond, but
>>>> that operation in an unairworthy condition violates FAA
regulations.
>>>> I will appreciate any comments on what to do.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>
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