REFLECTOR: New Aviation Fuel?

Mon Jul 17 16:55:21 CDT 2006

I also think global warming is way too political. About ten thousand years 
ago there were glaciers in Indianapolis. Was the world a better place then? 
If the temperature of the planet rises an average of 2 degrees in the next 
100 years, New Orleans will be under water, but they will be growing a lot 
more wheat in Canada and Siberia, and there will be a lot more water on the 
planet and less ice, and that sounds good to me.

Doug Holub

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Brown" <romott at adelphia.net>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: New Aviation Fuel?

> And, it uses just about a much energy to make the stuff as it produces.
>
> Sorta like the hydrogen economy - its going to take a lots of 
> electricity -
> as in nuclear to make all that hydrogen.
>
> And natural gas is cheaper than gasoline until you have to pressurize it 
> to
> put in a high pressure tank to use in your car.
>
> If we can get over all of the tree hugging we can go get the oil we have
> already - in Alaska, in the Gulf, off the coast of Florida and the
> Carolinas, and California and........
>
> I don't know how many folks also follow the RV lists, but a couple of
> excellent notes were posted recently
> - discussions started when folks were arguing over petroleum vs. ethanol
> fuels:
>
> (As a former employee of the nuclear and fossil fuel energy industry - I
> have to say I am very much concerned about the amount of power the Sierra
> Club and algore have amassed - with a great deal of help by the liberal
> media!  Oh and Jimmah didn't help any when he decided we didn't need 
> nukelar
> power or domestic off shore oil wells!!!!!! - Ronnie)
>
> This excellent note is by "Tom Gummo" <T.gummo at verizon.net>
>
> "First, I am over 55+ old.
>
> Second, I am a trained Chemist and Computer Scientists.  (Subjects with my
> masters degrees)
>
> I teach chemistry, math and computer science at two local colleges.After
> reading tons of stuff on the subject, I realize that I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT
> IT.
>
> I really think that scientists are in two camps: the first is the side 
> that
> is paying them (Follow the money, just like several people have stated) 
> and
> others are in the side that will get them money.  If there is NO problem,
> there is NO money.  If you can make it look like there is a problem, money
> will be thrown at you.  Why is it in the newspapers, No problem - NO NEWS.
> Problem - BIG NEWS.  You only really hear from the "Problem" folks.
>
> Why do I bring up my age:  in the 60's and 70's and maybe even the early
> 80's.  All I heard was about global cooling and the coming ice age.  Now
> scientists using the SAME DATA are telling us that it is global warning. 
> The
> book the "Population Bomb" stated that we would be living shoulder to
> shoulder by now.  Funny, I don't hear anything about it anymore.  The 
> OZONE
> hole got bigger and smaller without any help from mankind in the past.
>
> If the earth is getting warmer, could it be the sun is getting hotter. 
> Look
> it up, the sun goes through cycles too and we are in a period where it is
> hotter.  If that is the case, could it the sun and have nothing to do with
> mankind that there maybe a world wide temperature change.
>
> What about the fact, that the earth has had several ice ages.  That means 
> it
> got cold then it got warn then it got cold and then it got warm ....  Once
> again, mankind wasn't able to change the cycle or better yet create one.
>
> Take another case, what if it was a good idea to melt all the polar ice. 
> Go
> find a scientist that could find a way to do it.  CAN'T BE DONE with 
> current
> technology.  So why do you think my car and plane will do it?
>
> IS THERE A PROBLEM?: MAYBE.  Should we try to be NICER to the planet: YOU
> BET.
>
> But anybody who claims to know is full of sh_t.
>
> Of course, this is just one slightly educated man's opinion
>
> And I missed getting the authors of these contributions:
>
> "So...are you saying there is no natural fluctuation of the earth's 
> climate?
>
> The Sahara was farm country a few thousand years ago and turned desert way
> before the machine age, and even before the human population explosion
> occurred.  What about the redwood cones found above the arctic circle?  I
> don't say emissions of various kinds have NO effect, but how can the 
> events
> (volcanic and otherwise) that produce far more CO2 than decades of man 
> made
> emissions be discounted?  I'm curious also how we can presume to know the
> average temperature of a point on the earth's surface when records have 
> been
> kept for only a hundred years or so.  Is it the same kind of science that
> can build a complete culture from a couple of knife points and a molar?
>
> No offense, but it seems the science that's out there is pretty 
> selectively
> chosen by the supporters of the current global warming theory.  There's 
> lots
> that point the other way, too.
>
> The people pushing the global warming theory aren't exactly operating out 
> of
> the back of a VW bus, either.  There's plenty of money on both sides and
> people on both sides making a living advocating their particular position.
>
>
> "With no disrespect intended to anyone.... man made global warming is a
> farce I believe.....
>
>  "Carbon dioxide does occur naturally, of course, and is essential to life
> on Earth, as it is an essential chemical component in the photosynthesis
> process of plants."
>
> "When Mount Pinatubo erupted it pumped more CO2 into the atmosphere than
> humans did in the entire industrial age. The concern over anthropogenic 
> CO2
> emissions is politics dressed up as science."
>
> http://climatesci.atmos.colostate.edu/2005/08/09/is-co2-a-pollutant/
>
>
> And before you say this has nothing to do with building Velocities, it
> certainly has everything to do with our freedoms to fly our Velocities as
> this can have a terrific impact on aviation and the fuel we need to fly
> them!!!!
>
> Ronnie Brown
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Millin" <amillin at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 4:02 PM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: New Aviation Fuel?
>
>
>> Ethanol may be an answer.  In automotive it will get you 20% lower MPG. 
>> I
>> am assuming it will get you 20% few hours in the tank.
>>
>> Ethanol also changes the capacitance of the fuel.  For those with
>> capacitance type probes, it will not read the same as avgas.  You will
>> need
>> to recalibrate ... every time you change to a different blend percentage.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
>> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 3:50 PM
>> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: New Aviation Fuel?
>>
>> http://www.age85.org/
>>
>> Scott
>>
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>>
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