REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 26, Issue 33 re Door opening in flight

Mon Jul 10 17:21:57 CDT 2006

Which leads me to mention one of the sacred "rules" that are followed at
the Velocity Service Center ...
If the Elite door is unlocked, keep it in the raised position.  If the
door is in the closed position, make absolutely sure it is locked.  The
rule applied to _any_ situation ... Leaving the aircraft for a moment to
pay the fuel bill?  If the door is lowered, make sure it is locked.
Parking the aircraft it the T-hangar overnight?  If the door is lowered,
make sure it is locked.  We are fanatical about this.  If someone lowers
the door and fails to engage the lock, they catch hell.
SB

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Riley
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:55 PM
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Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 26,Issue 33 re Door
opening in flight

Andy:
The buyer of my SERG forgot to latch the copilot side door prior to
takeoff from Santa Barbara at night. The door departed the aircraft mid
takeoff and destroyed the prop, necessitating a forced landing and heavy
damage. I would strongly recommend against opening a door on an Elite in
flight.

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   1. Re:  Making a list and checking twice (Andy Millin)
   2.  Deltahawk (Andy Millin)
   3. Re:  Deltahawk (J.P. Brooks)
   4. Re:  Making a list and checking twice (Al Gietzen)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:32:55 -0400
From: "Andy Millin" <amillin at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Making a list and checking twice
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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Hi Juanita,

I don't know if anyone has actually tried to kick out a locked Velocity
door.  The construction of the doors and door frame leads me to believe
it would be difficult at best and possibly impossible.

Cirrus doors are constructed in much the same way as ours.  The
Plexiglas/Lexan is blended right into the door.  They include a small
hammer in the cockpit as standard equipment.  It is intended
specifically to break out the window in an emergency.  I believe their
procedure is to keep the doors locked until all the parts stop moving.

>From accident reports, it seems climbing through the plexi shards can 
>be as
much of a hazard as the crash.  Cuts and bruises aside, pilots have
extricated themselves from their aircraft with the hammer.

I doubt you could kick out the windshield.  The seat backs would
probably fail first.

This item has been on my emergency checklist for the Pipers and Cessnas
I rent.  With the forward hinged door there really isn't a penalty for
opening the door in flight.  If I were to open an elite door, I would
try unlatch it and hold it in the closed position.  I have spent some
time pondering the wisdom of opening an elite door purposefully in
flight.  I know the plane can be flown with the door open but it is NOT
recommended.  I am sure this is another very good reason to take
training at Sebastian.

The idea of adding this to the mix as I was about to land in
inhospitable terrain gives one pause.  Better to think about it now then
try to reason it out in the middle of an emergency.

The way Sid Knox has been coming up with cool solutions for us, I figure
I'll wait for his exploding bolts.  :)

Best,

Andy 

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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Juanita Londenberg
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:19 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: REFLECTOR: Making a list and checking twice

 "Open door prior to impact" to the emergency check list?  

I know the safety of the fuselage as a whole is better w/doors locked --
Does anyone know how easy it is to kick out a window?

Juanita Londenberg
N4PE

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:04:46 -0400
From: "Andy Millin" <amillin at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: REFLECTOR: Deltahawk
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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Hey JP,

It's been a while since anything has been posted on the Deltahawk.  Can
you give an update?  Will we see it fly at OSH this year?

Andy

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:22:11 -0700
From: "J.P. Brooks" <jp211 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Deltahawk
To: amillin at sbcglobal.net,	Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders
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Sorry to say, I've been sworn to secrecy, but the Company will be 
making some news announcement in the next few months.
Let's just say we are very happy with the engine and the refinements 
the engineers have made.  If Diane is reading this we do need to 
update our web site.
We will be at OSH.  I'm told I am supposed to fly 211JP in.  But it 
will be a minimal crew there since we are so lean we need all the 
engineers in Racine to sustain the ongoing testing.
No, not trying to be cryptic...  just want the "official" word to 
come from Dennis Webb, out Project Manager and quite a capable
person/engineer.

If you see N211JP on the sales block then you can assume we have not 
done something well.  I will post her here first for all your 
benefits and then I will make my posterior available for "a whoopin'" 
by each and everyone of you.  "Thank you Sir, may I have another".

Hope to see you at OSH.
JP

At 08:04 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote:
>Hey JP,
>
>It's been a while since anything has been posted on the Deltahawk.  Can

>you give an update?  Will we see it fly at OSH this year?
>
>Andy
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:24:32 -0700
From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures at cox.net>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Making a list and checking twice
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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There was discussion of a non-sparking tool a few years ago.  I found
this in my archives, from "Jim" - who may be Jim Agnew.  Unfortunately
it is incomplete with no web address - maybe Jim can help us.

The tool is made of hardened aluminum ( NON-SPARKING )
about 1/2" thick and 12" long, it can be used to lift, pry, chop, hole,
and it is slotted so you can twist things with it. The bottom is a water
shutoff wrench that you can saw off the jaws and save some weight. You
surly don't want to use a steel axe when you have AV gas leaking. 

I couldn't find where I purchased it, however, I located the company and
spoke to Don Culotta () the designer and a firefighter. He informed me
that he had a web page 
 and you can purchase the tool direct for $14.95
plus shipping. The web page will give you all of the information and how
to order.

 Jim

FWIW;

A;

-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Juanita Londenberg
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:19 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: REFLECTOR: Making a list and checking twice

 "Open door prior to impact" to the emergency check list?  

I know the safety of the fuselage as a whole is better w/doors locked --
Does anyone know how easy it is to kick out a window?

Juanita Londenberg

N4PE

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