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-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:08 AM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: STICK & RUDDER
 
Laurance,

    I wasn't questioning that there is a Va speed for the Velocity.  

    You said "You should never use full rudder unless you are at or
below maneuvering speed.  If you are faster you are exceeding allowable
structural loads."   

    I think your wrong about rudder deflection speed.   Show us where a
limit on rudder usage is stated...
    
Scott

Laurence Coen wrote: 
Yes really!!!  Va (maneuvering speed) is a structural limit every as
much as Vne.  All airplanes have a maneuvering speed including the
Velocity and it should be in your pilot manual.
 
Larry Coen
N136LC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Scott Derrick <mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net>  
To: Velocity Aircraft <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>  Owners and Builders
list 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: STICK & RUDDER
 
Really???  I've never heard that before.  I rarely use rudder except in
the pattern , decent, and playing tag with the mesa's.  I've never
really paid attention to how much rudder I use but to increase my
descent rate I usually use a lot. 

I haven't seen this restriction in the Pilot Manual?

Scott

Laurence Coen wrote: 
Tom,
 
You should never use full rudder unless you are at or below maneuvering
speed.  If you are faster you are exceeding allowable structural loads.
 
Larry Coen
N136LC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tom Martino <mailto:tmartino at troubleshooter.com>  
To: Velocity List <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>  
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: REFLECTOR: STICK & RUDDER
 
At first I thought it was just the weather, or maybe an uneven fuel load
. but I can no longer deny it.  My plane still yaws a bit to the left
(which means I have to touch the right rudder to make it fly perfectly
straight).  So I have the following questions and would like those with
more experience to answer:
1.      The ball is only a tiny bit out of center and I can get speeds
of 200 KTAS or more . so should I leave the damn thing alone? 
2.      The plane is almost perfect ... so should I make it fly
perfectly? 
I should also make these observations:
--I already shimmed the wings with washers several hours ago - which
helped a lot . but there is still a slight yaw,
--I also shimmed the right rudder out a bit (right after I did the wing)
. it seemed near perfect . but still a tiny yaw.
--When I am at higher speeds (170+ TKAS) and make a hard right turn with
full right rudder . the right rudder will flutter a bit.
--When turning left at the same speed . no flutter at all.  Is this
because I shimmed the right rudder out a bit to begin with?
ANY AND ALL COMMENTS APPRECIATED.
I have taken a lot of time to make this an exceptional bird . am I going
too far?  
Tom Martino

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Scott Derrick<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Velocity Aircraft =
Owners and
Builders list<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: REFLECTOR: =
STICK
&amp; RUDDER</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Laurance,<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I wasn't questioning that there is a Va speed for the
Velocity.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You said &quot;</span></font><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You should never use full =
rudder
unless you are at or below maneuvering speed.&nbsp; If you are faster =
you are
exceeding allowable structural loads.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font>I think your wrong about rudder =
deflection
speed.&nbsp;&nbsp; <font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Show us where a limit on rudder usage is =
stated...<br>
</span></font>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
Scott<br>
<br>
Laurence Coen wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Yes =
really!!!&nbsp;
Va (maneuvering speed) is a structural limit every as much as Vne.&nbsp; =
All
airplanes have a maneuvering speed including the Velocity and it should =
be in
your pilot manual.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:reflector at tvbf.org" title=3D"reflector at tvbf.org">Velocity =
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pan></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
REFLECTOR: STICK &amp; RUDDER<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Really???&nbsp; I've
never heard that before.&nbsp; I rarely use rudder except in the pattern =
,
decent, and playing tag with the mesa's.&nbsp; I've never really paid =
attention
to how much rudder I use but to increase my descent rate I usually use a =
lot. <br>
<br>
I haven't seen this restriction in the Pilot Manual?<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
<br>
Laurence Coen wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>You should never use full rudder unless you are at or =
below
maneuvering speed.&nbsp; If you are faster you are exceeding allowable
structural loads.</span></font><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color=3Dblack
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"Times New Roman"'>Larry Coen</span></font><span =
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"Times New Roman"'>N136LC</span></font><span =
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>----- Original Message ----- =
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style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New =
Roman";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> <a href=3D"mailto:tmartino at troubleshooter.com"
title=3D"tmartino at troubleshooter.com">Tom Martino</a> =
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color=3Dblack
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"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
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color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><st1:date Month=3D"3" Day=3D"25" =
Year=3D"2007"><font
 size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
 "Times New Roman"'>Sunday, March 25, 2007</span></font></st1:date><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"16" =
Minute=3D"49"><font size=3D2
 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
 "Times New Roman"'>4:49 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:"Time=
s New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'> REFLECTOR: STICK &amp; =
RUDDER<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>At first =
I thought
it was just the weather, or maybe an uneven fuel load &#8230; but I can =
no
longer deny it.&nbsp; My plane still yaws a bit to the left (which means =
I have
to touch the right rudder to make it fly perfectly straight). &nbsp;So I =
have
the following questions and would like those with more experience to =
answer:<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><O:P></O:P><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font =
size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The ball is only a tiny bit =
out of
center and I can get speeds of 200 KTAS or more &#8230; so should I =
leave the
damn thing alone?<O:P></O:P></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;
tab-stops:list 1.0in'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=3D1
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The plane is almost perfect =
... so
should I make it fly perfectly?<O:P></O:P></span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P></O:P>I should
also make these observations:<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P></O:P>--I
already shimmed the wings with washers several hours ago &#8211; which =
helped a
lot &#8230; but there is still a slight =
yaw,<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--I also =
shimmed
the right rudder out a bit (right after I did the wing) &#8230; it =
seemed near
perfect &#8230; but still a tiny =
yaw.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--When I =
am at
higher speeds (170+ TKAS) and make a hard right turn with full right =
rudder
&#8230; the right rudder will flutter a =
bit.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>--When =
turning left
at the same speed &#8230; no flutter at all.&nbsp; Is this because I =
shimmed
the right rudder out a bit to begin =
with?<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P></O:P>ANY AND
ALL COMMENTS APPRECIATED.<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P></O:P>I have
taken a lot of time to make this an exceptional bird &#8230; am I going =
too
far?&nbsp; <O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><O:P></O:P>Tom
Martino<O:P></O:P></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>The most effectual =
engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] =
government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, =
without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] =
and put into the papers whatever might serve the =
ministers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><span =
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G. K. van Hogendorp<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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New"><span
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</span></span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"10" Day=3D"13" Year=3D"1785">Oct. 13, 1785</st1:date>. (*) ME =
5:181, Papers 8:632 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre
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an></font></pre>

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style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>-<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>I worry about my =
child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have =
logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years =
from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they =
took freedom of the press away from the =
Internet?'<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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New"><span
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style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Mike Godwin, =
Electronic Frontier Foundation <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></div>

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