REFLECTOR: Alan Shaw rudder conduits

Mon Aug 28 12:02:23 CDT 2006

Ditto.  And while flying back from Oshkosh in 2003, I ran through a heavy 
rain shower.

About 50 little 1/8 x 1/4" deep holes were eroded on one wing leading edge 
from air pockets under his layer of  finishing epoxy/balloons.  I'm glad I 
was still in primer then!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Dawson" <medawson250 at yahoo.com>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: REFLECTOR: Alan Shaw rudder conduits

> My conduits were covered and had to be dug out.
> Shaw never sent me the rudder turnbuckles. I've had
> spots of delamination on both wings I had to repair!
> I'm not impressed with Alan Shaw work and won't be
> flying in an Atlantica any time soon!
> Good Luck,
> Mike Dawson
>
> --- Mark Riley <anriley at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I had the same problem with my Wingco/Shaw wings. I
>> tried supergluing the
>> strands of the end of the rudder cable together and
>> turning it in my drill
>> thru the conduit, but it just frayed. I got a
>> sturdier wire and ground a
>> point on it. I passed it as far as I could, measured
>> it and cut a small
>> access hole beneath it. Turned out it had cut thru
>> the sidewall of the
>> conduit at a curve. I reinserted and repeated the
>> process 2 or three times
>> before I managed to get it to the winglet, where it
>> popped out about an inch
>> from where I had been digging for it. It was a huge
>> frustration and a big
>> waste of time. They gave me a set of canard tips
>> (which were not included at
>> the time) to make up for it.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
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>>    1. Re:  Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings (Brian
>> Michalk)
>>    2. Re:  Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
>> (lawrence epstein)
>>    3.  Velocity Stuff (Tstockmn at aol.com)
>>    4. Re:  Firewall materials (Keith Hallsten)
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>> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:45:31 -0700
>> From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw
>> wings
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>> Can you get a stiff wire in there, like piano wire?
>> Find a friend with some telco equipment, or a
>> networking guy.  They may
>> have a cable finder.
>>
>> Run the piano wire in as far as it goes.  Attach the
>> transmitter, then
>> find the other end of the wire with the receiver.
>>
>> lawrence epstein wrote:
>> > Try again with picture
>> >
>> >> From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>> >> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders
>> list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> >> To: reflector at tvbf.org
>> >> Subject: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw
>> wings
>> >> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:39:02 +0000
>> >>
>> >> I asked for suggestions about this some months
>> ago and have tried them
>> >> all. Still no joy.
>> >>
>> >> The folowng is an e-mail I sent to Alan. Anybody
>> have any other
>> >> suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Alan-
>> >> I hope all is well. I continue to follow
>> Wingco/Atlantica and look
>> >> forward to it's success.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway-
>> >>
>> >> I have been trying to find the rudder conduits on
>> my (WingCo/V173)
>> >> wings and can't!
>> >>
>> >> There was a lot of spillage in the recess where
>> the internal arm
>> >> should go and the conduit (Outboard) end should
>> be as well as some
>> >> "displaced" triax.
>> >> I spoke to a few people who had your wings and
>> had similar problem
>> >> finding the condit end and all said just keep
>> digging and cutting. I
>> >> confirmed with the factory that even triax cut
>> away 5-6" in the well
>> >> would still not be a structural problem.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, digging was a problem from the opening. I
>> then saw a velocity
>> >> at Oshkosh that had your wings and had the same
>> problem. He had cut an
>> >> access panel about 3" diameter centered 5" fwd of
>> the opened edge (he
>> >> covered it wth plexiglass to have easy inpection
>> of the rudder
>> >> cable/turnbuckle). THis looked like a good
>> solution and I again
>> >> discussed it with Duane Swing and Ken Baker @ the
>> Velocity tent and
>> >> all were OK with the structure.
>> >>
>> >> Well I cut the holes and dug away, completely
>> exposing the outboard
>> >> end of the blue foam of the wing from about 3 to
>> 7 inches fwd of the
>> >> winglet open edge, top to bottom and NO
>> CONDUIT!!!
>> >>
>> >> Where should I look now? Any suggestions? I have
>> tried to get a stiff
>> >> wire thru the conduit from inboard to outboard
>> but anything
>> >> heavy/stiff enough to chuck in a drill, won't
>> pass more than about 3
>> >> feet and and the smaller stuff goes only about
>> 5-6 feet.
>> >>
>> >> I have attached a photo
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >> << 100_1000.jpg >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:36:48 +0000
>> From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw
>> wings
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