REFLECTOR: Reflector Digest, Vol 27, Issue 126- blocked rudder conduits
Mark Riley
anriley at comcast.net
Sun Aug 27 18:04:32 CDT 2006
I had the same problem with my Wingco/Shaw wings. I tried supergluing the
strands of the end of the rudder cable together and turning it in my drill
thru the conduit, but it just frayed. I got a sturdier wire and ground a
point on it. I passed it as far as I could, measured it and cut a small
access hole beneath it. Turned out it had cut thru the sidewall of the
conduit at a curve. I reinserted and repeated the process 2 or three times
before I managed to get it to the winglet, where it popped out about an inch
from where I had been digging for it. It was a huge frustration and a big
waste of time. They gave me a set of canard tips (which were not included at
the time) to make up for it.
Good luck!
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings (Brian Michalk)
2. Re: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings (lawrence epstein)
3. Velocity Stuff (Tstockmn at aol.com)
4. Re: Firewall materials (Keith Hallsten)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:45:31 -0700
From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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Can you get a stiff wire in there, like piano wire?
Find a friend with some telco equipment, or a networking guy. They may
have a cable finder.
Run the piano wire in as far as it goes. Attach the transmitter, then
find the other end of the wire with the receiver.
lawrence epstein wrote:
> Try again with picture
>
>> From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>> To: reflector at tvbf.org
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
>> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:39:02 +0000
>>
>> I asked for suggestions about this some months ago and have tried them
>> all. Still no joy.
>>
>> The folowng is an e-mail I sent to Alan. Anybody have any other
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Alan-
>> I hope all is well. I continue to follow Wingco/Atlantica and look
>> forward to it's success.
>>
>> Anyway-
>>
>> I have been trying to find the rudder conduits on my (WingCo/V173)
>> wings and can't!
>>
>> There was a lot of spillage in the recess where the internal arm
>> should go and the conduit (Outboard) end should be as well as some
>> "displaced" triax.
>> I spoke to a few people who had your wings and had similar problem
>> finding the condit end and all said just keep digging and cutting. I
>> confirmed with the factory that even triax cut away 5-6" in the well
>> would still not be a structural problem.
>>
>> Anyway, digging was a problem from the opening. I then saw a velocity
>> at Oshkosh that had your wings and had the same problem. He had cut an
>> access panel about 3" diameter centered 5" fwd of the opened edge (he
>> covered it wth plexiglass to have easy inpection of the rudder
>> cable/turnbuckle). THis looked like a good solution and I again
>> discussed it with Duane Swing and Ken Baker @ the Velocity tent and
>> all were OK with the structure.
>>
>> Well I cut the holes and dug away, completely exposing the outboard
>> end of the blue foam of the wing from about 3 to 7 inches fwd of the
>> winglet open edge, top to bottom and NO CONDUIT!!!
>>
>> Where should I look now? Any suggestions? I have tried to get a stiff
>> wire thru the conduit from inboard to outboard but anything
>> heavy/stiff enough to chuck in a drill, won't pass more than about 3
>> feet and and the smaller stuff goes only about 5-6 feet.
>>
>> I have attached a photo
>>
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>> << 100_1000.jpg >>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:36:48 +0000
From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
To: reflector at tvbf.org
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I got some 16 ga wire in, but only about 4-5 feet. I chcked it in the drill
as well. I tried some lighter stuff but it ended just a few feet past
>From: Brian Michalk <michalk at awpi.com>
>Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:45:31 -0700
>
>Can you get a stiff wire in there, like piano wire?
>Find a friend with some telco equipment, or a networking guy. They may
>have a cable finder.
>
>Run the piano wire in as far as it goes. Attach the transmitter, then
>find the other end of the wire with the receiver.
>
>lawrence epstein wrote:
> > Try again with picture
> >
> >> From: "lawrence epstein" <ljepstein at hotmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
><reflector at tvbf.org>
> >> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> >> Subject: REFLECTOR: Rudder conduits on Alan Shaw wings
> >> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:39:02 +0000
> >>
> >> I asked for suggestions about this some months ago and have tried them
> >> all. Still no joy.
> >>
> >> The folowng is an e-mail I sent to Alan. Anybody have any other
> >> suggestions?
> >>
> >> Alan-
> >> I hope all is well. I continue to follow Wingco/Atlantica and look
> >> forward to it's success.
> >>
> >> Anyway-
> >>
> >> I have been trying to find the rudder conduits on my (WingCo/V173)
> >> wings and can't!
> >>
> >> There was a lot of spillage in the recess where the internal arm
> >> should go and the conduit (Outboard) end should be as well as some
> >> "displaced" triax.
> >> I spoke to a few people who had your wings and had similar problem
> >> finding the condit end and all said just keep digging and cutting. I
> >> confirmed with the factory that even triax cut away 5-6" in the well
> >> would still not be a structural problem.
> >>
> >> Anyway, digging was a problem from the opening. I then saw a velocity
> >> at Oshkosh that had your wings and had the same problem. He had cut an
> >> access panel about 3" diameter centered 5" fwd of the opened edge (he
> >> covered it wth plexiglass to have easy inpection of the rudder
> >> cable/turnbuckle). THis looked like a good solution and I again
> >> discussed it with Duane Swing and Ken Baker @ the Velocity tent and
> >> all were OK with the structure.
> >>
> >> Well I cut the holes and dug away, completely exposing the outboard
> >> end of the blue foam of the wing from about 3 to 7 inches fwd of the
> >> winglet open edge, top to bottom and NO CONDUIT!!!
> >>
> >> Where should I look now? Any suggestions? I have tried to get a stiff
> >> wire thru the conduit from inboard to outboard but anything
> >> heavy/stiff enough to chuck in a drill, won't pass more than about 3
> >> feet and and the smaller stuff goes only about 5-6 feet.
> >>
> >> I have attached a photo
> >>
> >
> >
> >> << 100_1000.jpg >>
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 17:51:38 EDT
From: Tstockmn at aol.com
Subject: REFLECTOR: Velocity Stuff
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I'm starting a mod to my airplane after 500+hrs of happy flying and have
some stuff I'll be getting rid of.
1--three blade performance propellor
2--Navaid auto pilot
3--Terra nav/com and indicator (no GS)
If any one is interested before I put in on some bulletin boards for sale,
send me an email.
Bill
N12WS FGE
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:01:12 -0700
From: "Keith Hallsten" <KeithHallsten at quiknet.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Firewall materials
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Dave,
How expensive is this stuff, and where would one acquire some of it?
If it's no more expensive than fiberfrax it may have application here.
However, I suspect that going beyond the fiberfrax & stainless sheet is
probably going to the point of diminishing returns. After all, the aileron
control cables pass through the engine area. If you have an engine fire
beyond the capacity of the fiberfrax/SS to resist, you are probably going to
run out of options real quick, anyway. Firesleeve on the aileron push-pull
cables is a step in the right direction, but the aileron bellcrank attach
brackets are bolted to the fiberglass wing roots, which are going to burning
off pretty quick in a big fire.
Keith
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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Dave Dent
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:58 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Nomex/Stainless
Another material to use is Nextel high temp ceramic fabric. It's good for
3000 deg. F. But get it washed. It comes with a sizing on it. But if you
check you can get it washed. I started using it over 20 yrs ago. I used it
for making an inductive oven for processing metals. It's very flexible and
can be epoxies into your cowling as well for exhaust shielding. LLNL did
some extensive testing on it related to engine firewalls and found it to be
the best material you could use.
Dave
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From: Milton Mersky <mailto:miltonm at airmail.net>
To: 'Velocity Aircraft <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org> Owners and Builders
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Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Nomex/Stainless
Kurt:
Nomex is only needed for the first fire.
I would suggest Nomex not be deleted.
Milt
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From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
Behalf Of Al Gietzen
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:23 PM
To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Nomex/Stainless
Kurt;
I got the fiberfrax from A.S. and S.; and the .020 SS from a local metals
shop for a whole lot less than the nomex. Worth checking.
Al
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Nomex/Stainless
So, let me get this right.... the NEW stuff is fiberfrax and .20
stainless..... what is the thickness of the old stuff. Have to admit... it
does look nicer. .
see what happens when you take forever to build...... all kinds of new stuff
happens.
Kurt
Just like I said, FiberFrax and .20 stainless...
Kurt, here's a link to a pic on Rich's website showing
how nice the thicker SS looks:
http://www.rguerra.com/velocity/engine/underTheEngine.jpg
Pat
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