REFLECTOR: Retract to Fixed gear
Dave Dent
davedent at comcast.net
Mon Aug 21 19:31:34 CDT 2006
I can say a lot for retract gears. I've been flying them since 1970 and
never had problems like this. I even forgot the nose gear once on my Long
EZ after hitting a red tail hawk while lowering the gear, but it never had a
problem. I was the problem there. If my nose shimmied it wasn't hard to
lift it and make it stop. After we changed out the way the tension was
maintained I never had another shimmy again. It never concerned me again.
Just remember, there are those that have and those that have not yet. Gear
up that is.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures at cox.net>
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Retract to Fixed gear
> Matt;
>
> Boy, I don't that I'd undo what has been done to go to fixed gear. The
> extra 12kts or so is worth some effort, and there are many Velocity RGs
> flying without problems. One of the most common gear problems is the nose
> wheel shimmy, and you have that with a fixed gear as well.
>
> Hey, someone has to speak up for the retract. I'm all for it - at least
> until I have the first gear up :).
>
> Al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of matt
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:09 PM
> To: reflector at tvbf.org
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Retract to Fixed gear
>
> I have decided (probably) to remove my partially installed retract
> equipment
> and replace it with the fixed gear parts. Randy, the man I bought the kit
> from, did a beautiful job in installing all of the parts. I hate to undo
> it.
> But after much thinking on the subject, and bouncing it off of Scott
> Swing,
> I may take that route.
> I will need to retrofit all of the FG parts, saddels, captivator, etc, but
> I
> believe it will be worth it. The top and bottom are not bonded yet, so
> this
> should be "easy" HAHAHAHA right.......
> Matt
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:51:44 -0500
> From: "velocityxlfg" <velocityxl at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Auto Conversions
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
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> I am Still not fling but in the process of an LT1 install. Mine is more or
> less a stock LT1 unlike most
> I have seen . I am using an Aero Kinetics Hyvo chain drive. Has been
> a fun adventure so far.
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Prock
> To: Velocity Reflector
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:50 PM
> Subject: REFLECTOR: Auto Conversions
>
>
> One of the other posts mentioned using an auto conversion. Has anyone put
> an auto conversion on
> an XL yet? I am a year away from selection an engine, but The price point
> of an
> auto engine is really hard not to at least consider. Anybody have any
> thoughts?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack Prock
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> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:59:29 -0500
> From: "velocityxlfg" <velocityxl at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Accident/Incident
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>> I love the RG, but the faster arrival times can never make up for the
>> time spent building and adjusting the RG system
>
> Not to mention the repairs after wheels
> up landing,Gear stuck landing ,hours of discussion on the
> reflector on how to fix there retract problems.
>
> Sorry guys just a little needling from a guy
> who is still building XLFG
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Black" <dvblack at comcast.net>
> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Accident/Incident
>
>
>> Robin Ream wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the factory will just come out with a modification kit to
>>> change the
>>> retracts back to fixed gear models :-) ---------- There, the
>>> problem's
>>> solved. So easy wasn't it? :-)
>>
>> That would take away all the fun, wouldn't it?
>>
>> That said, if I had it to do over I'd build a FG model. My retract
>> works magnificently, but it added hundreds of hours to my build time.
>> I love the RG, but the faster arrival times can never make up for the
>> time spent building and adjusting the RG system.
>>
>>
>> dave black
>>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:42:54 +0000
> From: davedent at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Accident/Incident
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> I have to agree with you 100%. The time spent on the RG system on my
> XL/RG
> has cost me over 90% of the work done on this plane. The gear system has
> so
> many problems with it that it's not worth it. I just flew my plane back
> from being grounded out in the middle of nowhere with gear problems that
> I
> even flew it home with the main gear down for 3.1 hrs just to get it home.
> It would have taken me 2.5 hrs to get there with the gear up. Fixing it
> in
> the field is no fun. Of course that was with, now a fix pitch prop as
> well.
> Ka-ching.
>
> I have over $5000 spent related to the landing gear in just getting it
> home.
> Counting airfares, tooling, parts, hotels, fuel, hangars,shipping
> props,etc.
> No the retract is not worth it. Yes it looks cool but it is not worth it.
> There I think I have said that enough.
>
> I love the way the plane flies. With a gear up or gear down and locked,
> it
> makes no difference. Just a little slower with them down. Looking with
> hindsight down and locked with pants is much better.
>
> First related to the gear system, I think the quality of the parts is so
> different you can't count on them fitting the same as the part you
> removed.
> So doing makes it a major task and usually a major modification to the
> structure. Once I get through these gear issues, I hope I will have my
> problems behind related to my plane. But for those still thinking on
> which
> plane to build, I would recommend the fixed gear model now. At least till
> they get the RG problems resolved.
>
> By the way I just found a crack in one of the welds on the new nose gear
> I
> installed last year. Once again there is a quality control issue here.
> No
> hard landings on the nose at all since it was installed. May have been
> side
> loading related to the failed main gear. I don't know. Just to let every
> one out there know. For safety sake let's cover these issues. I'm not
> just
> trying to vent, I'm just want those working these issues, they are not
> alone.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "velocityxlfg" <velocityxl at fastmail.fm>
>
>> > I love the RG, but the faster arrival times can never make up for the
>> > time spent building and adjusting the RG system
>>
>> Not to mention the repairs after wheels
>> up landing,Gear stuck landing ,hours of discussion on the
>> reflector on how to fix there retract problems.
>>
>> Sorry guys just a little needling from a guy
>> who is still building XLFG
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Black"
>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Accident/Incident
>>
>>
>> > Robin Ream wrote:
>> >
>> >> Maybe the factory will just come out with a modification kit to
>> >> change the
>> >> retracts back to fixed gear models :-) ---------- There, the
>> >> problem's
>> >> solved. So easy wasn't it? :-)
>> >
>> > That would take away all the fun, wouldn't it?
>> >
>> > That said, if I had it to do over I'd build a FG model. My retract
>> > works magnificently, but it added hundreds of hours to my build time.
>> > I love the RG, but the faster arrival times can never make up for the
>> > time spent building and adjusting the RG system.
>> >
>> >
>> > dave black
>> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:11:29 -0700
> From: "Phil Hooper" <phil at hdmnet.com>
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: [SPAM] AirVenture Cup Race Photo Gallery
> To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'"
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> Rich, I get 404'd when I click on the link.
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Rich Guerra
> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:29 PM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: [SPAM] REFLECTOR: AirVenture Cup Race Photo Gallery
>
>
>
> To ALL:
>
>
>
> It took me a while to get organized, but I FINALLY uploaded my photo
> collection covering the AirVenture Cup Race and Oshkosh 2006. I thank
> Pat,
> Jack, Tim and others for their kind words about the race and RACE 24. You
> guys plus Scott Jones and Joe Schifferl really made this Race special!
> Having all those Velocity's in one place was a real hoot and I think
> demonstrated that our planes can make a pretty respectable showing. The
> Race
> was a real showcase of fantastic planes and was a great time for all.
> There
> are a LOT of photos which tell the story of not only the Race itself, but
> all of the fun we all had both before and after the event itself.
> Hopefully, the Race gallery conveys a little of what makes this event
> special.
>
>
>
> The Velocity factory couldn't make it due to mechanical difficulties with
> the factory demo but they have my thanks and those of the other racers for
> sponsoring the event. I hope that they will do so again next year and
> maybe
> even fly in the Race! It would be a nice way to help put a lot of VELO's
> on
> the front flight line for all to see!
>
>
>
> For those that couldn't make it this time, I hope that you will consider
> it
> for next year. It's a GREAT way to get into OSH and a great deal of fun!
> Let's see if we can get more than 5 Velocity's in the next Race!
>
>
>
> Check out the AIRVENTURE CUP RACE section on my web site:
>
> http://www.rguerra.com/velocity/
>
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> RIch Guerra
>
> Velocity XL RG N724X aka RACE 24
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