REFLECTOR: unwanted off topic stuff- killing the reflector (not)

Douglas Holub doug.holub at comcast.net
Fri Aug 18 09:01:53 CDT 2006 

I'll be here with you, Alex. I am determined to get this thing in the air 
before I'm too old and feeble to climb in and out of it.

Doug Holub
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Balic" <alex157 at pwhome.com>
To: "'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: REFLECTOR: unwanted off topic stuff- killing the reflector (not)


>I disagree about the forum dying from unwanted side discussions-  unlike a
> lot of other forums- this one has a definite and focused purpose- and
> especially with the demise of the Velocity views (sorry , I am still
> mourning that (poor) decision) this forum is the best place for builders 
> to
> get VERY pertinent and VERY important information- they are not going
> anywhere unless they sell their kits/aircraft or act like children and 
> take
> their toys and go home- personally, I don't mind the off topic stuff to
> terribly much- I just delete all of the posts with  subject lines that 
> don't
> interest me- like anything that reads "Franklyn" (no offence to Franklyn
> folks) - but that is a good example- there is a minority of Franklyn 
> owners
> here, and sometimes there are very extended discussions about problems or
> questions about that engine- hey: good for them!- it has as much bearing 
> on
> my project as the global warming stuff (which I agree should be posted
> elsewhere) but I am really quick with my delete button, and can clean that
> stuff out of my inbox in seconds- no big deal for me- don't really see why
> it is such a bother to some others- I will still be here posting even if
> everyone else goes home.
>
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Velocity_AZ
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:23 AM
> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Global Warming
>
> Richard,
>
> I fly a FG and have to sift through many many emails about RGs.  I know 
> how
> to use my delete button.
>
> The sender was advised and agreed to no more emails yet you still had to
> offer your opinion and then threaten to leave the forum. You simply could
> have sat back and observed the outcome. It seems to me that you need to
> discuss your position on this matter more than the original sender. Let it
> go or you go, but let's not spend any more time on this as I can't bear to
> read things like "create a tornado to support your position".
>
> Kevin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Richard Riley
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:57 AM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Global Warming
>
> It not that one side or the other is taking a side - I have my opinion, 
> and
> I'll argue it in the appropriate forum.  I'm bailing because I don't want 
> to
> stand around and watch another good forum die.  There are a few off topic
> discussions that can kill a forum,
> this one is right up there with abortion.   I once saw a disaster
> preparedness forum degenerate into lawsuits over Pedophile Priests in
> the Catholic Church.   The lawsuits were thrown out, of course, but
> the forum is dead, there hasn't been anything posted there in months.
>
> When I was growing up my parents were political activists.  They had
> barbecues every other week, and invited dozens of people.  A LOT of them
> were activists on the other side.  A wonderful time was had by all.  Just
> inside the front door there was a sign that read "No Politics.  No
> Religion."  These days I'd add "No Diet Stuff" (The Vegans can get in your
> face) but the sentiment is still the same.
>
> I'll check back in a couple of months and see if there's anything (or
> anyone) left.
>
>
> At 07:53 AM 8/17/2006, you wrote:
>
>>Richard,
>>
>>Your right to evacuate is respected, but not appreciated.  I don't know
>>what part of the GW discussion disgusted you...probably all of it, but
>>your delete button works as well as mine.  Small price to pay to stay
>>on-topic on this forum.
>>
>>The request for you to stay is strictly selfish.  I understand that you
>>gain a lot less from this forum then you contribute, but all endeavors
>>are not created equal, so hang around.  We'll all be the better for it.
>>
>>Chuck Jensen
>>  Do Not Archive
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
>> > [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Richard Riley
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:18 AM
>> > To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Global Warming
>> >
>> >
>> > It is with great regret that I must unsubscribe from this froum.  I
>> > sincerely thank the moderator for his work, and wish you all the best
>> > in your projects.
>> >
>> > At 05:14 AM 8/17/2006, you wrote:
>> >
>> > >Dear friends:
>> > >
>> > >To all that were supportive, thank your for the kind words.  Also
>> > >thank you to those that have shown the other side of the coin.  My
>> > >concern was not political but rather one that should concern us
>> > >all.  We cannot deny that we do pollute the earth and that the world
>> > >population is placing great demands on mother nature.  Al Gore or
>> > >not this is not debatable, it's a scientific fact.  No one can argue
>> > >that there are more people on earth today that they were 500 years
>> > >ago.  The earth is not flat.
>> > >
>> > >As a pilot now more than a builder, for I  completed my project two
>> > >years ago,  I am not happy for the days I cannot fly due to severe
>> > >weather conditions.  If what we are doing is having an effect on my,
>> > >our,  ability to be on the air, I would like to take the actions
>> > >necessary to make a change.
>> > >
>> > >We spend a great deal of time in constructing an airplane that is
>> > >not for short hops but rather for long distance travel.  Weather
>> > >becomes a big issue to us when wanting to reach our
>> > >destination.  IFR is interesting but I do enjoy the clear skies and
>> > >being able to see mother earth when I fly, the sights are awesome.
>> > >
>> > >Just a thought,
>> > >Fred
>> > >N244FM
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: <mailto:kent at orbital.aero>Kent Murley
>> > >To: <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders
>> > >list
>> > >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 1:11 AM
>> > >Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Global Warming
>> > >
>> > >Good for you, Fred, for speaking up. Only with open minded
>> > >discussion do issues get addressed or solved. People that go out of
>> > >their way to deny there is an issue offend me because they tend to
>> > >be wrong in the long run, yet never see or admit they were wrong.
>> > >
>> > >Off-topic? That's BS. Only a few of us could afford the time or
>> > >money to attend the fly-ins at Rough River, Grayson Co., or
>> > >Airventure but we didn't whine or post offensive remarks about other
>> > >posts about motels and rendezvous.
>> > >
>> > >Off-topic, eh? An issue about advances in engine efficiency and
>> > >emissions in a forum about experimental airplanes? According to
>> > >people who claim that it is off-topic, the only proper venue for the
>> > >issue of global warming is in a room full of ecologists with no
>> > >political pull. In my experience such vociferous people are afraid
>> > >of change for monetary or other selfish reasons.
>> > >
>> > >I don't agree gasohol is the way to go (and my parents put me
>> > >through college raising corn) but I applaud Fred for speaking up
>> > >against those who wear blinders or those who see the big picture and
>> > >try to weasel out of it with negativity and bullying. If you can't
>> > >say anything nice...
>> > >
>> > >If your posts respond to anyone in a negative manner I wish you'd
>> > >just grow up. Maybe take kindergarten again. Think before
>> > you press Send.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed individuals
>> > >can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever
>> > >has."  Margaret Mead
>> > >
>> > >Kent Murley
>> > >
>> > >[]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Fred Marconi wrote:
>> > >>Dear Friends:
>> > >>
>> > >>I know this site is not to be used for things other than airplane
>> > >>issues but this concern merits attention by all and we as pilots
>> > >>must take action in finding and promoting engines that are more
>> > >>efficient and cleaner for the environment, even find ways in
>> > >>converting our present engines to gasohol.
>> > >>
>> > >>Last night I saw the movie "Inconvenient Truth"  I highly recommend
>> > >>it, not as it would be nice but as something of urgency.  It is a
>> > >>root awakening to what is happening in the world today and what
>> > >>WILL happen in our lifetime if we do not take action.  Our future
>> > >>and that of our children is most definitely at stake.
>> > >>
>> > >>Please forward this message to as many people as you know.
>> > >>
>> > >>The web sites below should be of interest.
>> > >>
>> > >>Fred
>> > >>
>> > >><http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/>http://www.climate
>> > crisis.net
>> > >>/takeaction/
>> > >>
>> > >>http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_headlines.asp?id=119&c=7
>> > >
>> > >
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