REFLECTOR: Over Charging Help !!

Scott Derrick scott at tnstaafl.net
Sat Apr 15 09:38:13 CDT 2006


13.4 is a bit low and will allow sulfation to occur if your not flying a 
lot.  13.8 is acceptable for an automotive type battery..

Scott


jmbmitch33 wrote:
> Thanks Sid....I found out it was the new alternater that was just 
> installed.  I returned it and got another one.....and...WHAL-LA!!!!  
> now its the perfect volts.....13.4 to 13.8
>  
> Mitch
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Sid Knox <mailto:sbjknox at earthlink.net>
>     *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>     <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:13 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: Over Charging Help !!
>
>     Mitch, my suggestion is to first check the voltage (engine running of
>     course) with a digital voltmeter. I would make the measurement at
>     (or as
>     close as practical) to the battery.
>
>     Sid
>     Oklahoma
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: <jmbmitch33 at comcast.net <mailto:jmbmitch33 at comcast.net>>
>     To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>     <reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>>
>     Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:54 PM
>     Subject: REFLECTOR: Over Charging Help !!
>
>
>     > Just had to replace my alternater and upon doing so, I noticed
>     on my
>     > EDM700 that the new one was putting out more voltage than the
>     old one. It
>     > was flashing due to volts reading in the upper 16's and low
>     17's. Test
>     > flew for a while and noticed it did'nt drop any..... I think I
>     might have
>     > to exchange it for a different one. I believe its
>     overcharging....can
>     > anyone share their vast knowledge on regulating voltage?
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     > Mitch (Rome, Ga)
>     >
>     > -------------- Original message --------------
>     > From: "Ron Brown" <romott at adelphia.net <mailto:romott at adelphia.net>>
>     >
>     >> I don't have a picture - not much to see actually. Just a small
>     1/16"
>     >> hole
>     >> located midway of the door opening, just below the duct for the
>     oil
>     >> lines,
>     >> wiring, etc. (I really should put one of those decals around it
>     marking
>     >> the
>     >> spot.)
>     >>
>     >> I did use the factory imbedded 3/8" tubing, just in the new
>     location.
>     >> Mine
>     >> is on the copilot side. I thought about doing two and teeing,
>     but decided
>     >> to just do the one. I do have a valve inside the plane that I
>     can open in
>     >> case of icing, mud daubers, etc.
>     >>
>     >> Works good!
>     >>
>     >> ----- Original Message -----
>     >> From: "Andrew Ellzey"
>     >> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>     >> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:02 PM
>     >> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Static Port
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> > Ron,
>     >> >
>     >> > Can you post a picture of this new location? Did you follow the
>     >> > manual's
>     >> > instructions to imbed the 3/8 aluminum tubing at this new
>     location, or
>     >> > did
>     >> > you do something different?
>     >> >
>     >> > Has anyone tried installing two static ports one on each side
>     of the
>     >> > aircraft, and T-ing the two together. Most aircraft have a
>     static port
>     >> > on
>     >> > both sides of the aircraft to compensate for any slipping of the
>     >> > aircraft,
>     >> > either from a cross wind or just because most aircraft don't
>     fly true
>     >> > without a little rudder trim.
>     >> >
>     >> > Andy Ellzey
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > ----- Original Message -----
>     >> > From: "Ron Brown"
>     >> > To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>     >> > Cc: "Glenn Babcock"
>     >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:07 PM
>     >> > Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Static Port
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >> For those of you who are still building and haven't
>     installed your
>     >> >> static
>     >> >> port, I have an alternate location that seems to work great.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> I can't recall who did this originally (Perhaps Malcolm
>     Collier) but
>     >> >> someone suggested that under the door, just below the duct
>     was an
>     >> >> excellent location that works without having to do anything
>     other than
>     >> >> drill the small 1/16" hole. I did this as did Glenn Babcock.
>     Both of
>     >> >> our static ports work very well. I have done the high speed
>     passes
>     >> >> down
>     >> >> the runway (I like 50 feet which is tree height around here). My
>     >> >> altimeter is right on at 165 kts. No dams, no trip strips
>     and no
>     >> >> raised
>     >> >> port - just a little hole.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> Ronnie
>     >> >>
>     >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>     >> >> From: "Scott Derrick"
>     >> >> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>     >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:10 PM
>     >> >> Subject: Calibrating Static Port was: Re: REFLECTOR: Cirrus v.
>     >> >> Velocity
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>>I agree with Scott B. on the necessity of calibrating the
>     static port.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> I bought my V and the static port was way off. My altitude
>     was 400 ft
>     >> >>> off at cruise! I don't know how far off my indicated
>     airspeed was but
>     >> >>> it
>     >> >>> must have been bad.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> The method described below to calibrate is fairly accurate
>     and can be
>     >> >>> fun also. Our static ports have a small plate or fence
>     mounted for or
>     >> >>> aft of the port, to calibrate you will need to change the
>     thickness
>     >> >>> and
>     >> >>> or the orientation. Flying this is easier and more safely
>     done with a
>     >> >>> co-pilot.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> You will be doing some low level flying so either you need
>     to be
>     >> >>> comfortable with this or have somebody else you trust that is
>     >> >>> comfortable with low level flying. Do this at an airport
>     that the
>     >> >>> tower
>     >> >>> will let you do this or an uncontrolled airport that is not
>     to busy.
>     >> >>> Explain the procedure to the co-pilot so he or she
>     understands the
>     >> >>> procedure and objective.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> 1.) set the field elevation in your altimeter when parked
>     near the
>     >> >>> runway threshold. The readings you are interested in are
>     relative so
>     >> >>> the absolute reading is not important. Do not use the announced
>     >> >>> altimeter setting is it does not agree with the your field
>     elevation.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> 2.) You will need to fly as close to 20 ft AGL as you can.
>     or some
>     >> >>> other elevation that can be verified by your co-pilot. I
>     use 20 feet
>     >> >>> because the large hanger at my field is 20 ft high. It may
>     help to
>     >> >>> have somebody on the ground verify your height if your
>     unsure when in
>     >> >>> flight. The closer to the ground the easier it is the
>     estimate. 100
>     >> >>> ft
>     >> >>> is very tough unless you have a radar altimeter. Your GPS
>     altitude
>     >> >>> unless you have WAAS is unreliable for this.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> 3.) Make a low pass at the prearranged altitude at 90
>     knots. A trick
>     >> >>> to
>     >> >>> make this a bit safer is to dial in some up trim so it
>     takes a couple
>     >> >>> pounds of down pressure on the stick to maintain level
>     flight. This
>     >> >>> way
>     >> >>> if you get distracted you will tend to climb away from
>     terra firma.
>     >> >>> note the altitude and speed.
>     >> >>> 4.) Make a low pass at cruise speed, same altitude. This
>     will usually
>     >> >>> be much appreciated by all at the airport with many
>     requests to do
>     >> >>> another. Note the altitude and speed.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> 5.) Land and compare indicated altitude with real altitude.
>     When I
>     >> >>> did
>     >> >>> this on my plane I was indicating 400 ft AGL when actually
>     20 ft AGl.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> The plate or fence now will usually need to be adjusted. If
>     its aft
>     >> >>> of
>     >> >>> the hole, a thinner(as in height) will reduce the pressure
>     and raise
>     >> >>> your indicated altitude, thicker will increase the pressure
>     and lower
>     >> >>> the indicated altitude. If the fence is ahead of the hole
>     the change
>     >> >>> in
>     >> >>> thickness is reversed.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Make a WAG as to the change needed and fly again. you may
>     need to
>     >> >>> adjust to some value between what is indicated during slow
>     flight and
>     >> >>> cruise. Keep track of the change made so any further
>     adjustments will
>     >> >>> divide and conquer the needed adjustment. Do this until your
>     >> >>> satisfied.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Once your altimeter is reading correctly out airspeed
>     should also be
>     >> >>> relatively closer, unless your pitot is installed in a very
>     bad spot.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Fly Safe.
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Scott
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> Scott Baker wrote:
>     >> >>>> I have noticed that many Velocity aircraft vary in their
>     indicated
>     >> >>>> air
>     >> >>>> speed
>     >> >>>> due to either an un-calibrated air speed indicator and the
>     position
>     >> >>>> of
>     >> >>>> the
>     >> >>>> static port. Calibrating the air speed indicator at the local
>     >> >>>> avionics
>     >> >>>> shop
>     >> >>>> is a good thing to do - but that still leaves the
>     possibility of air
>     >> >>>> speed
>     >> >>>> errors caused by the static port. I trust the Cirrus air
>     speed
>     >> >>>> because
>     >> >>>> of
>     >> >>>> its being certified. It's great to get a fast moving certified
>     >> >>>> aircraft to
>     >> >>>> do some side-by-side flights with the Velocity, just to
>     make sure
>     >> >>>> both
>     >> >>>> air
>     >> >>>> speed "meters" are indicating the same during formation
>     flight.
>     >> >>>> 200 knots indicated in the Denver area is outstanding. The
>     true air
>     >> >>>> speed
>     >> >>>> must be "right on up there". I have flown the company
>     demonstrator
>     >> >>>> (310hp)
>     >> >>>> at Front Range and at Colorado Springs - giving demo rides
>     with
>     >> >>>> 4-people on
>     >> >>>> board and about 40-gallons of fuel - and the aircraft
>     performed
>     >> >>>> quite
>     >> >>>> well.
>     >> >>>> I've talked to several Cirrus 22 owners who have taken a
>     demo ride
>     >> >>>> in
>     >> >>>> the XL
>     >> >>>> with the Continental IO-550. All of them seemed impressed
>     - and most
>     >> >>>> admitted the Velocity had a small but noticable performance
>     >> >>>> advantage.
>     >> >>>> Most
>     >> >>>> were looking for a way to reduce the cost of aircraft
>     ownership.
>     >> >>>> Several of
>     >> >>>> the Cirrus owners were upset with the cost of aircraft
>     insurance.
>     >> >>>> Sunny Eymann recently sold his Velocity XL in favor of a
>     Cirrus 22
>     >> >>>> because
>     >> >>>> he liked the feel of the Cirrus in a cross-wind landing -
>     something
>     >> >>>> that is
>     >> >>>> an everyday event in Key West. Still, he likes the
>     Velocity - he
>     >> >>>> just
>     >> >>>> felt
>     >> >>>> the Cirrus was the right aircraft for him.
>     >> >>>> Random thoughts.
>     >> >>>> Scott B.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>     >> >>>> From: "Tom Martino"
>     >> >>>> To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
>     >> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 10:51 AM
>     >> >>>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Take Off Performance
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> 1600 Pounds. Actually a little less now that I am removing
>     the back
>     >> >>>> seats. If I push it I can darn near indicate 200 knots ...
>     but
>     >> >>>> normal
>     >> >>>> cruise would be less.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>     >> >>>> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
>     <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>
>     [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
>     <mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org>]
>     >> >>>> On
>     >> >>>> Behalf Of Al Gietzen
>     >> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:23 AM
>     >> >>>> To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>     >> >>>> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Take Off Performance
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Tom;
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> I'm curious what the empty weight is on your Velocity.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Thanks,
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Al
>     >> >>>>
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