REFLECTOR: Stuff Holder

Wed Sep 28 18:06:06 CDT 2005

Here is Uli's address: -       www.christen-air.ch/

Took a look but in the absence of English text could not fathom where you
are referring to Jack.  Is there an English version?

Best,

Greg in Sydney.
Greg Poole

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		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Jack Sheehan
		Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 5:27 AM
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Stuff Holder

		Uli Christen made one of the best stuff holder device which
was a removable storage area under the arm rest that went down into the
keel. It was shallow on the pilots side over the torque tube and deep enough
for charts etc like a magazine rack on the copilots side of the keel. The
top of the storage compartment was the arm rest which was hinged on the co
pilot's side. Neat invention. Uli had a lot of neat ideas everything had a
flange. It may be on his web site but I don't have the address handy

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		            Terry,

		            Your idea of biasing the seat outboard to
maintain a gap between the keel and seat for 'storage' for maps, kneeboard,
et al is a good one.  That little gap is a greater stuff holder.

		            Chuck

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		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Terry Miles
		Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:13 PM
		To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		I'm with Ronnie and Chuck on this too...no need for big time
lateral cocoons like a race car driver who has significant lateral g to deal
with.  Plus side bolsters add width.   I have the benefit of 5 Velo's in the
shop here to make comparisons with. 

		BTW if you are building a standard be careful assuming what
fits in somebody's XL in after market seats mightl not fit in yours.  The
Velo seat pans are narrower in the standard by an inch or two.  I drive
around in the Nissan Maxima.  The seat width is 22".  John T's Porshe seat
that is here measures around 20wide. I'm home now and can't measure, but the
Velo seat pan is around 17".  John's Porshe seat fits, but that's about all.
...and looks real nice too.  It doesn't leave much room to stick papers/maps
etc between the keel and the seat.  I am giving some thought to making a
nest for myself in cruise.  Also the D tube in the door will eat up some
lateral space to the outboard of both front chairs.  Don't just look at the
cabin walls fore/aft of the door opening and figure that's your outboard
line.  It ain't. 

		If like, me you don't have rudder pedals in yet, and are
guessing about fore/aft placement...once installed the rudder pedal aft face
is about 8" from the forward cabin wall.  I used a block of foam for a
spacer in the early going.  Now I also have a plywood frame to hold the
assembled Velo seat so i can sit in it and make adjustment fore/aft and well
and left/right.  I am favoring slightly to the outboard so I can have
stowage between seat and keel.

		Terry

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		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
		Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:42 PM
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
		            Keith,

		            I kind of buy into Ronnie's idea that side
support seats look comfy and provide a snug fit, but would be pretty
uncomfortable on long flights, as we all like to scooch around.  Side
support in an air crash is probably low priority as most of the 'action' is
linear/straightline whereas a an auto or race car is assumed to rock and
roll as well as suffer side impact, so the side support becomes much more
important.  Yes, it's understood that there is always the potential for some
side to side movement in an aircrash, but save for the occasional cartwheel,
most air incidents are straight ahead, hence the seat/shoulder belts are in
good position to do their job even without positioning by the seat.

		Chuck 

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		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Keith Hallsten
		Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
		To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		On the other hand, since this all came up in the context of
crashworthiness, those side bolsters would help keep you in position under
the seat belts better than flat seats during the gyrations of a crash.
Something ELSE to consider!

		Keith Hallsten

		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Brown
		Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:57 PM
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
		Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		Great looking seats - however something to consider:

		Since most of our turns are coordinated - meaning there is
minimal horizontal G loads - the thigh and shoulder bolsters are not really
needed.  In fact they pretty much lock you into position and can make the
long rides uncomfortable in that you can't move around much. 

		Ronnie
		----- Original Message -----
		From: robertbuls at aol.com
		To: reflector at tvbf.org
		Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:06 PM
		Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		So Jerry, which are you leaning toward. That bottom one you
suggested looks good. I think I missed any specific reference to memory- or
viscoelastic- foam though. Just said high density, I thought.
		    Looking forward to Toilet Bowl and detailed crawling
around your XL !
		Bob

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Brainard, Jerry <Jerry.Brainard at anthem.com>
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
<reflector at tvbf.org>
		Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0400
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
		I have been looking at seats for a couple years.  John you
picked out my favorites when cost is no object.  However, there are many in
the $300-$500 range that are very acceptable.  What you may not have notices
is that these seat also use viscoelastic foam (aka memory foam).  Of course
with more structure you get more weight.  These seat are going to be in the
25-30 lb range.

		Here are some more links:

		http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD
		http://www.corbeau.com/prod_index/prod_index.shtml

		A particularly interesting seat in base size.

		http://www.corbeau.com/products/a4/a4.shtml#

		- jerry

		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of John Tvedte
		Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:32 PM
		To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
		Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
		Here is an example - fiberglass (unless you have platinum
bars - in which case one can purchase a carbon fiber version).

		These are Sparco Modena seats -  although they are not in
production at this time. (not sure of the dimensions as they are not
published at this time)

		Only $1399ea at PolePosition.

http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DADB35C8-7D5F-4AC4-A99D61
255E4CA5BA

		Only $3400ea - Carbon Fiber at PolePosition.

http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DA0EA358-F9EF-40A5-863AA2
799227295C

		John

		-----Original Message-----
		From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org on behalf of Al Gietzen
		Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 7:43 PM
		To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
		Cc:
		Subject: REFLECTOR: Safer seats

		There are seats for race cars available that are very light
and designed
		for high speed car crashes.
		------------
		Yeah; I wonder how many bars of gold it would take to get
one (@$470/oz) .
		.

		Al

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