REFLECTOR: Stuff Holder
Jack Sheehan
j.f.sheehan at larc.nasa.gov
Wed Sep 28 14:27:10 CDT 2005
Uli Christen made one of the best stuff holder device which was a
removable storage area under the arm rest that went down into the
keel. It was shallow on the pilots side over the torque tube and deep
enough for charts etc like a magazine rack on the copilots side of
the keel. The top of the storage compartment was the arm rest which
was hinged on the co pilot's side. Neat invention. Uli had a lot of
neat ideas everything had a flange. It may be on his web site but I
don't have the address handy
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> Terry,
>
> Your idea of biasing the seat outboard to maintain a gap
>between the keel and seat for 'storage' for maps, kneeboard, et al
>is a good one. That little gap is a greater stuff holder.
>
> Chuck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>On Behalf Of Terry Miles
>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:13 PM
>To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
>I'm with Ronnie and Chuck on this too...no need for big time lateral
>cocoons like a race car driver who has significant lateral g to deal
>with. Plus side bolsters add width. I have the benefit of 5
>Velo's in the shop here to make comparisons with.
>
>BTW if you are building a standard be careful assuming what fits in
>somebody's XL in after market seats mightl not fit in yours. The
>Velo seat pans are narrower in the standard by an inch or two. I
>drive around in the Nissan Maxima. The seat width is 22". John T's
>Porshe seat that is here measures around 20wide. I'm home now and
>can't measure, but the Velo seat pan is around 17". John's Porshe
>seat fits, but that's about all. ...and looks real nice too. It
>doesn't leave much room to stick papers/maps etc between the keel
>and the seat. I am giving some thought to making a nest for myself
>in cruise. Also the D tube in the door will eat up some lateral
>space to the outboard of both front chairs. Don't just look at the
>cabin walls fore/aft of the door opening and figure that's your
>outboard line. It ain't.
>
>If like, me you don't have rudder pedals in yet, and are guessing
>about fore/aft placement...once installed the rudder pedal aft face
>is about 8" from the forward cabin wall. I used a block of foam for
>a spacer in the early going. Now I also have a plywood frame to
>hold the assembled Velo seat so i can sit in it and make adjustment
>fore/aft and well and left/right. I am favoring slightly to the
>outboard so I can have stowage between seat and keel.
>
>Terry
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>On Behalf Of Chuck Jensen
>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:42 PM
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
> Keith,
>
> I kind of buy into Ronnie's idea that side support seats
>look comfy and provide a snug fit, but would be pretty uncomfortable
>on long flights, as we all like to scooch around. Side support in
>an air crash is probably low priority as most of the 'action' is
>linear/straightline whereas a an auto or race car is assumed to rock
>and roll as well as suffer side impact, so the side support becomes
>much more important. Yes, it's understood that there is always the
>potential for some side to side movement in an aircrash, but save
>for the occasional cartwheel, most air incidents are straight ahead,
>hence the seat/shoulder belts are in good position to do their job
>even without positioning by the seat.
>
>Chuck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>On Behalf Of Keith Hallsten
>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
>To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
>On the other hand, since this all came up in the context of
>crashworthiness, those side bolsters would help keep you in position
>under the seat belts better than flat seats during the gyrations of
>a crash. Something ELSE to consider!
>
>Keith Hallsten
>
>
>
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>On Behalf Of Ron Brown
>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:57 PM
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
>Great looking seats - however something to consider:
>
>Since most of our turns are coordinated - meaning there is minimal
>horizontal G loads - the thigh and shoulder bolsters are not really
>needed. In fact they pretty much lock you into position and can
>make the long rides uncomfortable in that you can't move around
>much.
>
>Ronnie
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:robertbuls at aol.com>robertbuls at aol.com
>To: <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>reflector at tvbf.org
>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 1:06 PM
>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
>So Jerry, which are you leaning toward. That bottom one you
>suggested looks good. I think I missed any specific reference to
>memory- or viscoelastic- foam though. Just said high density, I
>thought.
> Looking forward to Toilet Bowl and detailed crawling around your XL !
>Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brainard, Jerry <Jerry.Brainard at anthem.com>
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0400
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>I have been looking at seats for a couple years. John you picked
>out my favorites when cost is no object. However, there are many in
>the $300-$500 range that are very acceptable. What you may not have
>notices is that these seat also use viscoelastic foam (aka memory
>foam). Of course with more structure you get more weight. These
>seat are going to be in the 25-30 lb range.
>
>Here are some more links:
>
><http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD>http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD
><http://www.corbeau.com/prod_index/prod_index.shtml>http://www.corbeau.com/prod_index/prod_index.shtml
>
>A particularly interesting seat in base size.
>
><http://www.corbeau.com/products/a4/a4.shtml>http://www.corbeau.com/products/a4/a4.shtml#
>
>- jerry
>
>
>
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]
>On Behalf Of John Tvedte
>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:32 PM
>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>Here is an example - fiberglass (unless you have platinum bars - in
>which case one can purchase a carbon fiber version).
>
>These are Sparco Modena seats - although they are not in production
>at this time. (not sure of the dimensions as they are not published
>at this time)
>
>Only $1399ea at PolePosition.
>
><http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DADB35C8-7D5F-4AC4-A99D61255E4CA5BA>http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DADB35C8-7D5F-4AC4-A99D61255E4CA5BA
>
>Only $3400ea - Carbon Fiber at PolePosition.
>
><http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DA0EA358-F9EF-40A5-863AA2799227295C>http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DA0EA358-F9EF-40A5-863AA2799227295C
>
>John
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org on behalf of Al Gietzen
>Sent: Thu 9/22/2005 7:43 PM
>To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>Cc:
>Subject: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
>
>There are seats for race cars available that are very light and designed
>for high speed car crashes.
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>Yeah; I wonder how many bars of gold it would take to get one (@$470/oz) .
>.
>
>Al
>
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