REFLECTOR: Safer seats
Jim Sower
canarder at frontiernet.net
Tue Sep 27 23:37:56 CDT 2005
A really light weight ejection seat would moot all these restraint and
lateral caging issues :o)
Terry Miles wrote:
> I'm with Ronnie and Chuck on this too...no need for big time lateral
> cocoons like a race car driver who has significant lateral g to deal
> with. Plus side bolsters add width. I have the benefit of 5 Velo's in
> the shop here to make comparisons with.
> BTW if you are building a standard be careful assuming what fits in
> somebody's XL in after market seats mightl not fit in yours. The Velo
> seat pans are narrower in the standard by an inch or two. I drive
> around in the Nissan Maxima. The seat width is 22". John T's Porshe
> seat that is here measures around 20wide. I'm home now and can't
> measure, but the Velo seat pan is around 17". John's Porshe seat fits,
> but that's about all. ...and looks real nice too. It doesn't leave
> much room to stick papers/maps etc between the keel and the seat. I am
> giving some thought to making a nest for myself in cruise. Also the D
> tube in the door will eat up some lateral space to the outboard of
> both front chairs. Don't just look at the cabin walls fore/aft of the
> door opening and figure that's your outboard line. It ain't.
> If like, me you don't have rudder pedals in yet, and are guessing
> about fore/aft placement...once installed the rudder pedal aft face is
> about 8" from the forward cabin wall. I used a block of foam for a
> spacer in the early going. Now I also have a plywood frame to hold the
> assembled Velo seat so i can sit in it and make adjustment fore/aft
> and well and left/right. I am favoring slightly to the outboard so I
> can have stowage between seat and keel.
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Jensen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:42 PM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> Keith,
>
> I kind of buy into Ronnie’s idea that side support seats look
> comfy and provide a snug fit, but would be pretty uncomfortable on
> long flights, as we all like to scooch around. Side support in an
> air crash is probably low priority as most of the ‘action’ is
> linear/straightline whereas a an auto or race car is assumed to
> rock and roll as well as suffer side impact, so the side support
> becomes much more important. Yes, it’s understood that there is
> always the potential for some side to side movement in an
> aircrash, but save for the occasional cartwheel, most air
> incidents are straight ahead, hence the seat/shoulder belts are in
> good position to do their job even without positioning by the seat.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Keith Hallsten
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2005 10:42 PM
> *To:* 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> *Subject:* RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> On the other hand, since this all came up in the context of
> crashworthiness, those side bolsters would help keep you in
> position under the seat belts better than flat seats during the
> gyrations of a crash. Something ELSE to consider!
>
> Keith Hallsten
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ron Brown
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2005 1:57 PM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> Great looking seats - however something to consider:
>
> Since most of our turns are coordinated - meaning there is minimal
> horizontal G loads - the thigh and shoulder bolsters are not
> really needed. In fact they pretty much lock you into position and
> can make the long rides uncomfortable in that you can't move
> around much.
>
> Ronnie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* robertbuls at aol.com <mailto:robertbuls at aol.com>
>
> *To:* reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2005 1:06 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> So Jerry, which are you leaning toward. That bottom one you
> suggested looks good. I think I missed any specific reference
> to memory- or viscoelastic- foam though. Just said high
> density, I thought.
>
> Looking forward to Toilet Bowl and detailed crawling around
> your XL !
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brainard, Jerry <Jerry.Brainard at anthem.com>
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> <reflector at tvbf.org>
> Sent: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:21:24 -0400
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> I have been looking at seats for a couple years. John you
> picked out my favorites when cost is no object. However, there
> are many in the $300-$500 range that are very acceptable. What
> you may not have notices is that these seat also use
> viscoelastic foam (aka memory foam). Of course with more
> structure you get more weight. These seat are going to be in
> the 25-30 lb range.
>
> Here are some more links:
>
> http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD
> <http://www.cobraseats.com/item.asp?pg=SP&id=ROAD>
>
> http://www.corbeau.com/prod_index/prod_index.shtml
>
> A particularly interesting seat in base size.
>
> http://www.corbeau.com/products/a4/a4.shtml#
>
> - jerry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] *On Behalf Of *John Tvedte
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:32 PM
> *To:* Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> *Subject:* RE: REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> Here is an example - fiberglass (unless you have platinum bars
> - in which case one can purchase a carbon fiber version).
>
> These are Sparco Modena seats - although they are not in
> production at this time. (not sure of the dimensions as they
> are not published at this time)
>
> Only $1399ea at PolePosition.
>
> http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DADB35C8-7D5F-4AC4-A99D61255E4CA5BA
>
> Only $3400ea - Carbon Fiber at PolePosition.
>
> http://www.polepositionusa.com/site/product.cfm?id=DA0EA358-F9EF-40A5-863AA2799227295C
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* reflector-bounces at tvbf.org on behalf of Al Gietzen
> *Sent:* Thu 9/22/2005 7:43 PM
> *To:* 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
> *Cc:*
> *Subject:* REFLECTOR: Safer seats
>
> There are seats for race cars available that are very
> light and designed
> for high speed car crashes.
> ------------
> Yeah; I wonder how many bars of gold it would take to get
> one (@$470/oz) .
> .
>
> Al
>
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