REFLECTOR: RE: Reflector Digest, Vol 17, Issue 3

Sat Oct 1 19:14:38 CDT 2005

I installed a speed brake on my SERG and was very happy with it.I drilled
and tapped the end of my actuator for the speed brake(actually I paid a
machine shop a couple bucks to do it)  and threaded in a rod end bearing. By
trial and error and gradually threading the bearing shaft into the actuator
rod end a little further each time, I got it so that it closed perfectly
flush. I then tightened the jam nut and it was perfect. 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re:  Speed Brake Question (Randy Wharton)
   2. RE:  Triax which side is up? (Alex Balic)
   3. RE:  Triax which side is up? (jp211 at comcast.net)
   4. Re:  Triax which side is up? (gattenby at GBRonline.com)
   5. RE:  Triax which side is up? (Al Gietzen)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:09:26 -0400
From: "Randy Wharton" <rwharton at buckeye-express.com>
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Speed Brake Question
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I would have gladly installed the speed brake per the instructions,
but the instructions were for a fixed gear model, not an RG! There
are no instructions for installation of the actuator when installed
in conjunction with the main gear hydraulic cylinder. Brendan gave me
some suggestions, but it was basically left up to me to figure it out
from there. Thanks, though.

Randy W.

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From: tstockmn at aol.com
To: reflector at tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Speed Brake Question
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:20:29 -0400

>I've had mine for almost four years of flying (400+hrs) and it works
>great as designed.   Under the philosophy of "if it ain't broke,
>don't fix it'" I would install as prescribed in the instructions.
> 
> 
>N12WS. 
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randy Wharton <rwharton at buckeye-express.com>
>To: reflector at tvbf.org
>Sent: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:35:08 -0400
>Subject: REFLECTOR: Speed Brake Question
>
>
>I?m putting the finishing touches on my XL-RG speed brake, and I have
>2 questions. 
> 
>First, the actuator has built-in limit switches at each end of
>travel. I designed my system so that I use only the built-in switches
>instead of an external switch. That is, I set it up so that when the
>actuator is fully retracted, I can adjust the mount so that the brake
>is flush. Does anyone know of any reason NOT to use the internal
>limit switches? It seemed that eliminating an external switch makes
>for a simpler, more reliable installation.
> 
>Second question: What angle of deployment have others set up at full
>extension? Mine turns out to be 51 degrees extension. Is that enough,
>or do I need more for it to provide a significant benefit. I know
>some have their brake set up for partial deployment, but I?m just
>curious what maximum extension others have.
> 
>Thanks for any info!
> 
>Randy Wharton
>N248RB XL/RG
>http://clik.to/velocity
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:21:40 -0500
From: "Alex Balic" <alex157 at pwhome.com>
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?
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Structurally, it will be the same, but the difference is do you want to
fill the space between the roving with heavy resin ( roving side down)
or with dry micro (light.)  and go head and take the time to pull out
all of the ripples too- I got an average of maybe 3" / strand of extra
tension when I pulled all of mine - be prepared for hand cramps...

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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:52 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?

This may be a stupid question, I am ready to start glassing my left wing
and the manual isn't very clear on which is the top (smooth) side of the
triax? Both sides seem smooth to me. I am assuming that the side with
the continous straight glass fibers is the top. Is this true? I don't
feel that this is a good time to guess, I would like to be very sure
before I destroy a wing.

Andy Ellzey
XLRG
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Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 22:19:45 +0000
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Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:34:09 -0500
From: gattenby at GBRonline.com
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?
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Andy,

The long fiber goes up.
Those "squiggls" can be a major pain in the...
The vidio shows pulling individual fiber bundles.
It is a rather tedious process.
I had a partner pull the fiber bundle, as I "worked" the
glass by hand.  I used light traction in the direction of
the pull with finger tips and the palms of my hands.  I used
a pair of heavy rubberized cotton "water proof gardening
gloves".  It works fairly well.
Don't push to hard againt the foam...  It will leave divits.
The bundles pull with less force after they are wetted out
with the epoxy. (but then you have less time to pull
them...)

For an XL wing plan on about 4 1/2 to 5 hours start to
finish one wing/one surface.  It will take 5 1/2 yards of
cloth and about a gal of resin / 1/2 gal of hardner to do
both sides of one wing.

Noel

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From: "Andrew Ellzey" <ajlz72756 at yahoo.com>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list"
<reflector at tvbf.org>
Subject: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:52:09 -0500

>   This may be a stupid question, I am ready to start
> glassing my left wing and the manual isn't very clear on
> which is the top (smooth) side of the triax? Both sides
> seem smooth to me. I am assuming that the side with the
> continous straight glass fibers is the top. Is this true?
> I don't feel that this is a good time to guess, I would
> like to be very sure before I destroy a wing.
> 
>   Andy Ellzey
>   XLRG
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:27:33 -0700
From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures at cox.net>
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Triax which side is up?
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gently pull each strand of the triax to take out any slack and, just like
Alex said below, it adds to the tension and taughtness and forgive me if I'm
wrong he gents, but the strength of the entire wing as well

It does seem that it make for a more rigid wing.  I have to hope it doesn't
matter too much because anywhere I sanded through the primary and filler on
my 'Wingco' wings I saw nothing but squiggles.  Alan apparently didn't think
it was an issue.

Al

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