REFLECTOR: WD-40?
jack hayes
jetjock at frontiernet.net
Wed Nov 30 22:37:58 CST 2005
Hi Ed,
First time I have seen this one.
Did you get nailed by the nasty weather?
As I type this I see Minneapolis at 18 deg. To cool for my
old bones.What a wimp.
Stay warm
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: davedent at comcast.net
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: WD-40?
Yes I agree that it works great as a rust buster. Kerosene works great also. I worked with Sandia Labs in the seventies and had a chemist do a check on the stuff to see what was in it. That is when we found the kerosene and DMSO. Get it on your hands and you can feel it penetrate right away and even taste it.
When working in the airlines back in the sixties we were dumping it on the reverser systems every 50 hrs to unstick the reversers. Come to find out the rust go so bad that we stopped using it and had it removed from the shelf, so the mechanics wouldn't use it. We then went to LPS 3 for the reversers and the problem went away.
To get the black stains off, try a new product out that called Power Force. They sell it at Sams Club. It cleans carbin and oil off like none other I've seen. But as far as the paint I would use this but wash it with water after. It leaves a slight film I have found. But it gets the soot and breather stains off the cowl like no other. I use the blue paper towls and it seems to work better.
We had a DC-8 land in the bay off SFO in about 1970 and as soon as the plane got out of the water United washed the plane down completely with fresh water and sprayed LPS into all the areas that was under water. This we found out saved the plane from corrosion. And the plane once again flew.
I would not use LPS 2 on any hinge requiring a dry lube like piano hinge or exposed areas to air movement. There I would use the LPS PTFE lube. It provides a dry, thin lubricating film. It resist oil, dust and dirt build-up. It has no silicon in it as well. In the case of the Velo hinges and or experimental aircraft I would put the Teflon and SS wire hinges on. This eliminates the lube issue all together.
I use a product for loosening frozen parts called A-OK. It was used on the SR-71 to free the screws in the esbestust panels of the plane after flights. Nothing else worked. I got a can when I left Edwards. I still have have it and I use it like it was gold.
LPS 2 is a industrial-strength lubricant. It's a good mult-purpose lub but not good for hinges etc. But I have used it on ball joints and belcranks. It's good up to about six months.
I use the LPS 3 when building up engines. It is compatible with other oils. I spray the inside of engines before closing. It preserves the inside from corrosion during long term storage. Better then anything else I have ever found. I buy this by the gallon. It has a oil and wax base but can come off quite easily.
I know I sound like I'm a sales-person for LPS but over the years I have found their products do what they say they will do and not just smoke and mirrors. There is so much junk out there now.
Believe me if you don't get hard on these guys or products they just keep showing up in the mix and come back to haunt you time and time again. Remember history and use it or you will repeat it. I've been there and done that. Learn from others mistakes before you make your own. You will make less of them. I know, I've made a lot of them.
Wow that was a lot. Sorry. Just in the mood.
Dave
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Whoa Dave, lighten up just a bit. WD-40 IS NOT a good lubricant but it is good at busting rust. Personally, I don't like the grime (black) that is left when using LPS-2 on my Velocity's hinges. It just doesn't look too good with my shinny new white paint job. The stains can only be removed using gasoline or wax - soap and water just won't cut the black grime. You got a better suggestion than LPS-2? (And I'm NOT suggesting WD-40). I'm considering using "3 in 1" oil, at least it is a 10 weight lubricant and doesn't turn black.
Re starter bendixes on Lycomings - I was told by several mechanics to use ONLY silicon spray. In 2000 hours and three starters, it seemed to be the only thing that would keep the bendix working.
Here's the skinny on WD-40:
In 1953, a fledgling company called Rocket Chemical Company and its staff of three set out to create a line of rust-prevention solvents and degreasers for use in the aerospace industry, in a small lab in San Diego, California.
It took them 40 attempts to get the water displacing formula worked out. But they must have been really good, because the original secret formula for WD-40-which stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try-is still in use today.
Convair, an aerospace contractor, first used WD-40 to protect the outer skin of the Atlas Missile from rust and corrosion. The product actually worked so well that several employees snuck some WD-40 cans out of the plant to use at home.
A few years following WD-40's first industrial use, Rocket Chemical Company founder Norm ! Larsen experimented with putting WD-40 into aerosol cans, reasoning that consumers might find a use for the product at home as some of the employees had. The product made its first appearance on store shelves in San Diego in 1958.
In 1960 the company nearly doubled in size, growing to seven people, who sold an average of 45 cases per day from the trunk of their cars to hardware and sporting goods stores in the San Diego area.
In 1961 the first full truckload order for WD-40 was filled when employees came in on a Saturday to produce additional concentrate to meet the disaster needs of the victims of hurricane Carla along the U.S. Gulf coast. WD-40 was used to recondition flood and rain damaged vehicles and equipment.In 1969 the company was renamed after its only product, WD-40.
WD-40 Compan! y, Inc., went public in 1973 and was list ed Over-The-Counter. The stock price increased by 61% on the first day of listing.
Since that time, WD-40 has grown by leaps and bounds, and is now virtually a household name, used in numerous consumer and industrial markets such as automotive, manufacturing, sporting goods, aviation, hardware and home improvement, construction, and farming.
In 1983, WD-40 Company sales reached $50.2 million. Many companies attempted to introduce imitation products, going so far as to copy the distinctive blue, yellow and red colors of the WD-40 can.
In 1993, WD-40 Company celebrated its 40th anniversary by breaking the $100 million sales mark. That year the company was also listed among the Top Ten Most Profitable companies on the NASDAQ exchange. Not bad for a company with only one product!
WD-40 was found to be in 4 out of 5 American households (it seems everyone has a can or! two) and was used by 81 percent of professionals at work. Sales had grown to more than one million cans each week.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Dent
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Dan the Transport Man
I just noticed that you said to spray WD-40 on your bendix. This is a BIG NO-NO. WD-40 is pure junk and should not be used on you plane ever. You will find that it contains kerosene and DMSO. It was removed from the aircraft industry back in the sixties. Once the stuff dries it will cause everything with iron it to rust. Do not use it on any moving parts that are critical to flight or that you don't care if it rust or not.
I have used it for one use only in my hangar. To bust the beads on my tires before removing from the wheel halves. DMSO would work in its self but in the spray can it's more convenient. I have had the same can for over ten years now. I keep it away from every thing else in the hangar.
I have told guys that if they used it on their planes related to controls I would not sign off their annuals. I would make them wash it all off and re-lube their controls.
The only thing WD-40 has going for it, is their promotional strategy. If everyone used their method of selling products they could sell most anything.
Consider using LPS products
----- Original Message -----
From: nmflyer1 at aol.com
To: reflector at tvbf.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Dan the Transport Man
There is another option:
First, lube up the bendix area with a little WD-40 or the like. Then you can try jumping the battery with another one. I have had some starters that were tired for some reason and not cooperating. The additional amps will sometimes make the starter cooperate. In a Velocity with the battery in the nose, this would seem relatively easy.
Best of luck.
Kurt
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From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:51:54 -0700
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Dan the Transport Man
Yeah I agree with Scott B.
Hand prop that puppy, get an experienced old hand to do it for ya.
Scott
Scott Baker wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Call Melanie at the Velocity factory 772-589-1860 and ask for Dan > Fast's contact number. Dan also monitors the Reflector, so he may see > your message in person.
> I'm sorry that I have not contacted you in regards to your aircraft > being "stranded" at KOBE. If the only thing wrong is the starter, > have you attempted a hand-prop? This - or installing a repaired > starter - would be preferable and less expensive than hauling the > aircraft home.
> Pls telephone me or Duane at the factory to discuss.
> Best regards,
> Scott B.
> > >
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> *From:* MikeWatsonSpg at cs.com <mailto:MikeWatsonSpg at cs.com>
> *To:* reflector at tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:59 PM
> *Subject:* REFLECTOR: Dan the Transport Man
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> Does anyone know how to contact Dan. I believe
> he is the one that transported Velocities. Thanks.
>
> Mike W.
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