REFLECTOR: Falling objects through the prop

Jim Sower canarder at frontiernet.net
Fri Mar 11 13:55:56 CST 2005


<... since opening the door will likely start a roll ...>
Opening the door actually causes the door to instantly depart the 
airplane. The open hatch also causes MAJOR drag (when I lost my pax side 
door on TO, I barely had power enough to make it downwind to a 500' 
abeam position). I think that absent power (why else would anyone want 
to bail out) you'll be looking at a serious sink rate.

All things considered, I think I'll opt to fly the airplane ... Jim S.

KeithHallsten wrote:

> Al,
> When it comes to parachuting out of an elite-door Velocity, I would 
> want to make sure I got a good push off of the door sill on the way 
> out! Also, since opening the door will likely start a roll, you 
> wouldn't want to waste any time in making your departure.
> Keith
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Al Gietzen <mailto:ALVentures at cox.net>
>     *To:* 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>     <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:02 PM
>     *Subject:* RE: REFLECTOR: Re: Falling objects through the prop
>     (Was NOSE WHEELGOTSIDEWAYS)
>
>     Keith;
>
>     Yes, I realized as I went back out to the shop that my
>     “thinking-out-loud” analysis was all wrong; so I’m glad you
>     followed up. At first your 1.4 inches seemed too small, but the
>     math is correct. I think the fact that the object is initially at
>     the speed of the plane makes a huge difference, and makes it
>     likely a small metal object (small and dense) would clear the
>     prop, probably by some margin. It only needs a ¼ of a second to
>     make it.
>
>     Some time ago I remember doing some back-of-the-napkin analysis
>     with a couple of Long EZ drivers which concluded that a person
>     could safely parachute out of an elite door Velocity, but it may
>     have been a somewhat used cocktail napkin.
>
>     Al
>
>     *Subject:* REFLECTOR: Re: Falling objects through the prop (Was
>     NOSE WHEEL GOTSIDEWAYS)
>
>     Al,
>
>     I follow you up through the point where you say the object will
>     only fall 85 msec before the prop comes by. However, as I recall
>     the position formula is:
>
>     X = X(init) + V(init)*T + 1/2 A*T*T. If we use the initial
>     elevation of the object as our datum, X(init) = 0, and if the
>     initial downward velocity, V(init), is also zero. If we further
>     assume that the only acceleration acting on the object is gravity
>     (32.2 ft/sec^2), then
>
>     Distance Fallen = 1/2 * (32.2 ft/sec^2) * (0.085 sec) * (0.085
>     sec) = 0.117 ft = 1.40 inch.
>
>     So does your prop arc extend lower than 1.4 inches below the level
>     of your nose gear door? Sure!
>
>     However, we have neglected the fact that any object that falls off
>     the plane is initially at the speed of the plane, not at rest, and
>     it is slowed by air friction, so it is decelerating horizontally
>     while is is accelerating vertically downward. If we know the drag
>     coefficient of the object that's falling, we could calculate that
>     deceleration due to the relative wind, but that will be left as an
>     exercise for the reader! Suffice it to say that the object will
>     actually fall significantly longer that 85 msec, and will
>     therefore fall farther. If the prop arc extends, say, 16 inches
>     below the belly of the plane, we would need to have approximately
>     1.0 second of fall to clear the prop arc. Is this likely? Probably
>     not.
>
>     I think the conclusion is that anything that falls off the
>     fuselage, even from the nose, is pretty likely to pass through the
>     prop arc.
>
>     Keith
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* Al Gietzen <mailto:ALVentures at cox.net>
>
>         *To:* 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list'
>         <mailto:reflector at tvbf.org>
>
>         *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:08 AM
>
>         *Subject:* RE: REFLECTOR: RE: NOSE WHEEL GOT SIDEWAYS
>
>         *Subject:* REFLECTOR: RE: NOSE WHEEL GOT SIDEWAYS
>
>         Tom
>
>         You say believed you lost the "T" fitting in flight. Did you
>         check the Velocity high speed rotating strainer that's
>         attached to the engine to see if it was detected, evidenced by
>         leaving 'memory marks'? Idle curiousity: Can anything fall off
>         the plane's fuselage without going through the prop at
>         rotation speeds or above?
>
>         Chuck
>
>         Well, let’s see; at 120 mph that’s 176 ft/sec – so it takes
>         about 85 msec to travel 15 ft. If you drop something from the
>         nose gear well, it will travel downward a max of about 30 – 35
>         in. before the prop goes by. It might clear the prop.
>
>         Just thinking out loud, check my math.
>
>         Al
>
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