REFLECTOR: cloth boot
Chuck Jensen
cjensen at dts9000.com
Wed Feb 16 18:16:20 CST 2005
Fresh blood or cloth boots? I certainly don't have any, nor have I ever seen any but if you know of anybody that has some basic sewing skills (which excludes me), they could sew a boot up with a Velcro fastener that would allow you to wrap it around the nose gear tube, then close it up. With the base fastened down with a light metal/plastic strip screwed into the keel, and you are good to go.
Chuck #2
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
Behalf Of Scott Derrick
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:39 PM
To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
Subject: REFLECTOR: cloth boot
know where there is a supply of ready made ones?
Chuck Jensen wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>Welcome. We can always use fresh blood, especially with good ideas such as you proposed. Winter flying in non-Florida locals can be pretty painful if air infiltration isn't controlled. Instead of rubber, I imagine a person could use a air-proof cloth boot on the nose gear tube and accomplish the same thing as is done with the boot around the joystick. Good idea!
>
>Chuck
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>Behalf Of Chuck Harbert
>Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:43 PM
>To: reflector at tvbf.org
>Subject: REFLECTOR: Re: Reflector Digest, Vol 9, Issue 53-PREVENTING
>DRAFTS
>
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>To: Tom Martino:
>
>I have a std RG. I sealed my cabin by using a piece of rubber tire tube
>which I stretched over the upper part of the nose gear tube. I took about a
>9' x 9" piece of the tube and cut about a 1" hole in the center which will
>stretch over the tube. Then I took some 3/4" x 3/16" aluminum flat stock
>pieces and drilled holes for 1/8" pop rivets to go thru. I put the stock
>against the rubber tube and drilled thru rubber and the surrounding wall,
>and then pop rivited it in place. When the nose gear rotates it stretches
>the rubber, but stays sealed. It works very well and there's virtually no
>airflow into the cabin when you drop the gear. I could try to get a picture
>if you want it.
>
>Chuck Harbert
>
>p.s. This the first time I've used Reflector. Hope it works.
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>> 3. Re: FUEL FEED [heur] (Scott Derrick)
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>> 5. Re: FUEL FEED (Scott Derrick)
>> 6. Re: PREVENTING DRAFTS (Scott Derrick)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:19:50 -0500
>>From: "Scott Baker" <sbakr at comcast.net>
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PREVENTING DRAFTS
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>>Why in the world would you want to seal off a small draft when it's
>>75-degrees outside?? ;-)
>>Scott B.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tom Martino
>> To: reflector at www.tvbf.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:43 PM
>> Subject: REFLECTOR: PREVENTING DRAFTS
>>
>>
>> With the nose gear down and gear doors open . how do you guys keep air
>>from rushing into the cockpit?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I obviously have to install some kind of barrier . but I'm not
>>sure of the configuration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas? Or better yet . any photos?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom
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>> N173EX
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>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:53:46 EST
>>From: HYTEC45 at aol.com
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PREVENTING DRAFTS
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>>In a message dated 2/16/2005 3:26:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>sbakr at comcast.net writes:
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>>Why in the world would you want to seal off a small draft when it's
>>75-degrees outside?? ;-)
>>Scott B.
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>>Some of us carry less insulation than others;-)
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:11:36 -0700
>>From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED [heur]
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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>>as long as the turn coordinator is actually installed correctly.
>>
>>Its amazing how many are not. It doesn't take much.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>
>>Tom Martino wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>My plane flies perfectly. Not my opinion, it is the assessment of my
>>>test pilot. The ball is in the center and the plane flies "hands off"
>>>straight and level.
>>>
>>>I will keep looking.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Scott Derrick [mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:18 AM
>>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED [heur]
>>>
>>>A leaking gas cap can cause uneven fuel flow but is not the prime
>>>culprit. A bit of fuel valve lube applied to the O ring once a year will
>>>
>>>insure this doesn't happen.
>>>
>>>A miss-rigged airplane is most likely the cause. Shim your rudders so
>>>the ball is right in the middle and you will get perfect fuel flow.
>>>
>>>To test, be sure your turn and bank is installed correctly first,
>>>garbage in garbage out. Then fly, this is the fun part.. Once you see an
>>>
>>>uneven condition, press on the rudder that will put the ball in the
>>>middle. If you want to even up the tanks fast, press on the correct
>>>rudder so the ball is on the other side for a couple minutes, you'll see
>>>
>>>the fuel even up and even go into the opposite imbalance if you keep the
>>>
>>>rudder depressed. Then hold the rudder so the ball is centered, fuel
>>>will flow as it was designed to.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>Tom Martino wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, now that I'm in my test flying mode ... I will really be asking
>>>>a lot of questions.
>>>>
>>>>Here are some of them, as they relate to my fuel system:
>>>>
>>>>1. What makes the fuel tanks feed unevenly to the header tank/engine?
>>>>(My right tank is feeding twice as fast as my right tank.)
>>>>
>>>>2. Will that cause a problem when the fast-feeding tank runs out?
>>>>
>>>>3. I used the larger vent lines for my tanks and tied them al together
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>with a manifold, then vented the entire system out through the top of
>>>>my firewall in the engine compartment (about four inches below my naca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>duct). Do you think the system gets enough venting there?
>>>>
>>>>4. Is there a need for a "whistle" hole in any of the tank vents ...
>>>>for additional venting (like we do with the crankcase breather?
>>>>
>>>>Any help is appreciated from my more experienced Velocitologists J
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>N173EX
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:14:06 -0700
>>From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED [heur]
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
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>>I think it is extremly dangerous to vent the fuel system into the engine
>>compartment!
>>
>>Why would anybody do that???
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>Ron Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tom,
>>>
>>>I don't think it is a good idea to vent the fuel system into the
>>>engine compartment, especially if you happen to flip upside down
>>>during a crash landing. You will have lots of fuel draining out the
>>>vent system into the hot engine compartment.
>>>
>>>With the factory designed fuel vent line routed up to the top of the
>>>firewall then back down to exit the bottom of the fuselage, fuel will
>>>not leak out of the vent system when the airplane is upside down.
>>>
>>>One other thought on uneven fuel flow, even if the vents are tied
>>>together and the plane is flying level/ball centered: there is a
>>>possibility that an air bubble trapped in the vent line with fuel on
>>>either side of the bubble can cause an uneven venting of the tanks.
>>>This wouldn't happen if the vent lines always slope upward to the
>>>manifold. I think this may be the scenario that Jim Sower is seeing
>>>from time to time. I have had it happen a couple of times on long
>>>trips after filling the tanks nearly full. After landing and parking
>>>in my hanger, the fuel tanks were 5 or so gallons different and
>>>remained that way until I opened the fuel caps. STRANGE! Wings are
>>>level when parked in the hanger. Another experiment - I placed a 2 x
>>>6 under one main tire, simulating a wings down. Guess what - the fuel
>>>level difference was MUCH LESS than I have seen in the air.
>>>
>>>But again, it could be fuel caps that are not always sealing perfectly
>>>for every flight.
>>>
>>>Ronnie
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Martino"
>>><tmartino at troubleshooter.com>
>>>To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:23 PM
>>>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED [heur]
>>>
>>>
>>>My plane flies perfectly. Not my opinion, it is the assessment of my
>>>test pilot. The ball is in the center and the plane flies "hands off"
>>>straight and level.
>>>
>>>I will keep looking.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Scott Derrick [mailto:scott at tnstaafl.net]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:18 AM
>>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED [heur]
>>>
>>>A leaking gas cap can cause uneven fuel flow but is not the prime
>>>culprit. A bit of fuel valve lube applied to the O ring once a year will
>>>
>>>insure this doesn't happen.
>>>
>>>A miss-rigged airplane is most likely the cause. Shim your rudders so
>>>the ball is right in the middle and you will get perfect fuel flow.
>>>
>>>To test, be sure your turn and bank is installed correctly first,
>>>garbage in garbage out. Then fly, this is the fun part.. Once you see an
>>>
>>>uneven condition, press on the rudder that will put the ball in the
>>>middle. If you want to even up the tanks fast, press on the correct
>>>rudder so the ball is on the other side for a couple minutes, you'll see
>>>
>>>the fuel even up and even go into the opposite imbalance if you keep the
>>>
>>>rudder depressed. Then hold the rudder so the ball is centered, fuel
>>>will flow as it was designed to.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>Tom Martino wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, now that I'm in my test flying mode ... I will really be asking
>>>>a lot of questions.
>>>>
>>>>Here are some of them, as they relate to my fuel system:
>>>>
>>>>1. What makes the fuel tanks feed unevenly to the header tank/engine?
>>>>(My right tank is feeding twice as fast as my right tank.)
>>>>
>>>>2. Will that cause a problem when the fast-feeding tank runs out?
>>>>
>>>>3. I used the larger vent lines for my tanks and tied them al together
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>with a manifold, then vented the entire system out through the top of
>>>>my firewall in the engine compartment (about four inches below my naca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>duct). Do you think the system gets enough venting there?
>>>>
>>>>4. Is there a need for a "whistle" hole in any of the tank vents ...
>>>>for additional venting (like we do with the crankcase breather?
>>>>
>>>>Any help is appreciated from my more experienced Velocitologists J
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>N173EX
>>>>
>>>>(A mere 6 hours)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:16:44 -0700
>>From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: FUEL FEED
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>Message-ID: <421371EC.3080005 at tnstaafl.net>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
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>>Jim,
>>
>>Obviously you have something really wrong or should I say "very
>>different" from the factory configuration.
>>
>>The proof is in the pudding.
>>
>>Find and correct that difference and your fuel flow would be per design.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>Jim Sower wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Scott Derrick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A leaking gas cap can cause uneven fuel flow but is not the prime
>>>>culprit. A bit of fuel valve lube applied to the O ring once a year
>>>>will insure this doesn't happen.
>>>>
>>>>A miss-rigged airplane is most likely the cause. Shim your rudders so
>>>>the ball is right in the middle and you will get perfect fuel flow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That's what I thought. It's the first thing I did. Leveled the
>>>airplane w/laser level, checked the ball centered, flew a couple of
>>>test hops and shimmed it to perfectly centered ball. Had no
>>>measurable effect AT ALL on assymmetric transfer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>To test, be sure your turn and bank is installed correctly first,
>>>>garbage in garbage out. Then fly, this is the fun part.. Once you see
>>>>an uneven condition, press on the rudder that will put the ball in
>>>>the middle. If you want to even up the tanks fast, press on the
>>>>correct rudder so the ball is on the other side for a couple minutes,
>>>>you'll see the fuel even up and even go into the opposite imbalance
>>>>if you keep the rudder depressed. Then hold the rudder so the ball is
>>>>centered, fuel will flow as it was designed to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>At full rudder deflection I was able to transfer maybe 1/2 gal / min.
>>>Took 10 minutes to transfer five gallons (that was on a GOOD day.
>>>Other days it was less.
>>>
>>>Sometimes nothing at all seems to work ... but I finally fixed it ...
>>>Jim S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>Tom Martino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Well, now that I'm in my test flying mode ... I will really be
>>>>>asking a lot of questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here are some of them, as they relate to my fuel system:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. What makes the fuel tanks feed unevenly to the header
>>>>>tank/engine? (My right tank is feeding twice as fast as my right tank.)
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Will that cause a problem when the fast-feeding tank runs out?
>>>>>
>>>>>3. I used the larger vent lines for my tanks and tied them al
>>>>>together with a manifold, then vented the entire system out through
>>>>>the top of my firewall in the engine compartment (about four inches
>>>>>below my naca duct). Do you think the system gets enough venting there?
>>>>>
>>>>>4. Is there a need for a "whistle" hole in any of the tank vents ...
>>>>>for additional venting (like we do with the crankcase breather?
>>>>>
>>>>>Any help is appreciated from my more experienced Velocitologists J
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>N173EX
>>>>>
>>>>>(A mere 6 hours)
>>>>>
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>>Message: 6
>>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:21:00 -0700
>>From: Scott Derrick <scott at tnstaafl.net>
>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: PREVENTING DRAFTS
>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>Message-ID: <421372EC.2050707 at tnstaafl.net>
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>>Scott,
>>
>>Most of the world doesn't fly in the hot box of Florida. Some of us
>>rarely see 75 degrees F. in flight. I never see above freezing during
>>the winter.
>>
>>The standard design of the RG system as far as sealing the cabin sucks..
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>Scott Baker wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Why in the world would you want to seal off a small draft when it's
>>>75-degrees outside?? ;-)
>>>Scott B.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Tom Martino <mailto:tmartino at troubleshooter.com>
>>> *To:* reflector at www.tvbf.org <mailto:reflector at www.tvbf.org>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:43 PM
>>> *Subject:* REFLECTOR: PREVENTING DRAFTS
>>>
>>> With the nose gear down and gear doors open . how do you guys keep
>>> air from rushing into the cockpit?
>>>
>>> I know I obviously have to install some kind of barrier . but I'm
>>> not sure of the configuration.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? Or better yet . any photos?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> N173EX
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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