REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

Tue Feb 8 10:52:56 CST 2005

For those that are working with X-Plane I have a file started by Mark Summers but I have a problem with the airfoil.  If I could find the actual airfoils I know I could do better with it.  Right now I'm using  Long EZ airfoils.  It flys great but with the actual files I'm sure it would do better.  If any one has these actual numbers could you fwd them to me. I am using 7.3 version of the X-Plane.  I should have bought MS flight simulator when they first sold it at OSH two years ago. I'm sure they are both good simulators.  The big thing I found in xplane was the realism in the terrain simulation.  I'm still learning it.  I only wish I had more time to run it.  Flying the real thing and maintaining other planes keeps me from simulating.
Good work on your version. What I could open, looks good.
Dave

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Wharton 
  To: 'Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list' 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:19 AM
  Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

  Fred, Some of the links in this thread didn't work, but I found one that did. I uploaded it to my own website and put a button on the home page so anyone can download it. The author of the program indicated in the readme file that the model is freeware, so there's no restriction on distribution.

  You don't need to modify any files like the .cfg file (configuration file). When you download the zipped file, unzip it into a directory (naming it as you would like the Velocity to show up in the aircraft list on the flight sim), and all the files you will need will be created in that directory, including subdirectories for gauges, model, panel, sound and texture. Simply copy the entire subdirectory containing all the files and subdirectories into the "aircraft" subdirectory of the flight simulator/ When you next run the simulator, you will find the Velocity in the list f available planes. 

  Download Velocity XL flight sim files:  http://occeng.org/velocity/xlrgsim.zip

  Or visit http://clik.to/velocity  and click on the flight sim button.

  Randy Wharton

  N248RB XL-RG

  http://clik.to/velocity

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  From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Marconi
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 12:11 AM
  To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

  Could someone help me, this is a CGF file and how do I download it and use it with my FS2004.  Do I just save it and copy it to a FS2004 directory or do I open it.  If I try to open it the computer will not read the file.

  Fred

  N244FM

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Ron Brown 

    To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 

    Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:57 PM

    Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

    Hi Joel,

    Attached.  The other stuff came from an article responding to getting FS2000/2002 planes to work on FS2004.  It didn't fix all of the problems (like the invisible gear), but it flies pretty good.

    Ronnie

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Carruth, Joel L 

      To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 

      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:40 PM

      Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

      Ronnie,

      Do you mind sending a copy of your Aircraft.cfg file? Or notes on how to modify it?

      The one in the Velov2.zip file only contains the following:

      [fltsim.0]

      title=Velocity XL

      sim=Velocity XL

      model=

      panel=

      sound=

      texture=

      checklists=

      Thanks!

      Joel Carruth

      Lockheed Martin 

      JSF - Pilot System Software

      W: (817) 763-4337

      Fax: (817) 777-8378

      joel.l.carruth at lmco.com

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      From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Brown
      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:27 PM
      To: bobj at computer.org; Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
      Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

      Bob, 

      Since I have a 173 Elite RG, I changed some of the parameters in the Aircraft.cfg file to reflect the lower HP and weights of the Std.  Take off, climb, fuel burn and cruise performance are similar to my plane.  I have not checked glide ratios or other parameters that you are after.  But for my IFR practice it is terrific, especially with my Garmin 430.  I actually use 2002 and 2004.  When I want a realistic bunch of clouds and ATC, I use 2004.  When I want some 

      work with the Garmin 430, I use 2002.  

      Ronnie

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Bob Jackson 

        To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list 

        Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 1:24 PM

        Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

        Thanks Ronnie,

        Hey, I know you're already flying and now that you also use FS2004 -- any comments or inputs on glide speeds, glide ratios, precautionary approach patterns, and stuff like that for the Velocity and how they compare with the model below for the Velocity on FS2004?  

        You may have missed my earlier post:  'Standardized' High Precautionary Approaches'.  Jim Sower gave some good input, but the Reflector was down for quite a while right when it was first posted and I think most people may have missed it.  The people already flying must have some more good ideas and suggestions on this (at least I think important) subject!  Are you in a position to gather some real world glide ratio data using your GPS?

        Bob

        XLRG, starting electrical

        PS  Maybe we could start posting Velocity-relevant stuff for FS2004 in a special section in the Reflector archives -- freeware/shareware like your Garmin simulation.  I tried the www.asim.com "XL-5" model earlier and think the "Velov2" is better all around, at least for FS2004.

          -----Original Message-----
          From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On Behalf Of Ron Brown
          Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:31 PM
          To: reflector at tvbf.org
          Subject: REFLECTOR: Re: FS2004 Simulator and Velocity Model

          I'm attaching (hope you don't mind and that I don't clog up your mailbox!) one Velocity model that I found.  It seems to fly and look the most realistic, but it's not perfect.  For example, if while sitting on the end of the runway before takeoff, you press "S" in FS2004 and 'slew' the viewpoint around to what would be a wingman's position, you'll notice that there are no landing gear visible -- it looks like the plane is just hovering three feet above the runway.  The cockpit switch makes the gear go up and down and that increases/decreases drag, etc., but the gear are not visible in the onscreen rendering!  This shortcoming does not seem to affect the way it flys.

          Bob,

          The Velocity model ( http://www.tvbf.org/docs/velov2.zip  ) you are using was actually written for FS2002 and the gear and other stuff actually works in FS2002.  For those of you using Garmin 430 or 530, there is some software called FSGarmin which allows the Garmin PC 400 series training simulator to be run with FS2002.  I use it a lot with the supplied Velocity panel modified to reflect my own panel.  GREAT for IFR practice.   FSGarmin, unfortunately doesn't work with FS2004 (which has better graphics, clouds and much improved ATC but a lousy Garmin "500").  

          There is another Velocity model for FS2004 on www.avsim.com called the XL-5.  It has a pretty elaborate panel but the exterior graphics aren't rendered very well.  

          If you are interested in FSGarmin and have FS2000 or FS2002, let me know and I'll get it to you (it is shareware but hard to find on the internet now).

          Ronnie 

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