Catto prop was Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor

davedent at comcast.net davedent at comcast.net
Tue Sep 21 10:31:20 CDT 2004


Not the same fellow.  Lost his job when Regan took office.  He had a key shop in Turlock after that and a engine shop in Fresno with me.  He still lives in Turlock. He has a Piper Pacer he keeps there. 
Dave

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> I second Brett's message. 
> 
> I haven't placed my order yet for the prop for my new TSIO520 but I'm sure 
> this will help a lot. 
> 
> There was a Morris in my area, "E", he had a Merry Maid business on the 
> side, but I don't think his first name was Bob? Lots of folks at Oakland. 
> 
> Scott 
> 
> At 05:30 AM 9/21/2004, you wrote: 
> >Dave - thanks for all of your work on this, my Catto prop is waiting on your 
> >test data as well, so I really appreciate your effort! 
> > 
> >Brett 
> > 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Dave Dent" 
> >To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" 
> >Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:26 PM 
> >Subject: Re: Catto prop was Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > 
> > 
> > > Scott did you know a guy named Bob Morris while at Oakland Center? He is a 
> > > good friend of mine. 
> > > As soon as I can fly out of my restricted area I hope to try a higher 
> > > airport. It may not be Tahoe or Bishop but some where high. 
> > > Catto is starting to build a new prop for me with more pitch but will not 
> > > put the pitch in till I get him more data. I am sending him some tonight. 
> > > Tomorrow morning I will be getting more. I record it while I fly with the 
> > > GRT EFIS. He wants altitude and RPM, with true airspeed. I'll put close 
> >to 
> > > two hours on it tomorrow. 
> > > Dave 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Scott Derrick" 
> > > To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" 
> > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 11:32 AM 
> > > Subject: Re: Catto prop was Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Dave, 
> > > > 
> > > > If you see Chuck, tell him Scott Derrick says hi. We were radar rats 
> > > > together at Oakland Center. 
> > > > 
> > > > Why "don't do" Tahoe. I fly into TVL quite a lot in my Std RG? I was 
> > > even 
> > > > foolish enough to give a 250 lb. guy a ride out of there(he was building 
> >a 
> > > > V), and I had 60 gallons of fuel and my travel tool kit on board! And 
> >it 
> > > > was a pretty warm summer evening! I think density was around 10,000. 
> >Man 
> > > > you talk about using up some runway! That was a lesson I'll never 
> > > > forget. I have no problem going into TVL with me and the wife(she's a 
> > > > light weight) and baggage. Though I restrict our full fuel departures 
> >to 
> > > > early morning. 
> > > > 
> > > > MHV can give you some intermediate density's, but nothing like Bishop, 
> > > > Tahoe or my airfield GNT's. I just thought you might want to see how 
> >she 
> > > > performs in the mountain west before twisting the prop anymore. 
> > > > 
> > > > Scott 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > At 10:05 AM 9/20/2004, you wrote: 
> > > > >Scott 
> > > > >I do know Chuck. I haven't seen him for a few weeks but we have a good 
> > > > >community of pilots here at Livermore. I have been on the field since 
> > > 1967 
> > > > >so I know most of them. Not all by name but most by sight. 
> > > > >I go to the high desert now and then but I am not sure if I will before 
> >I 
> > > > >change out the prop. But if I do I'll let you know. I go to Scaled 
> > > > >Composites now and then and on a good hot day there you can get some 
> >good 
> > > > >numbers. But going into Tahoe I don't do. But I did do Minden just 
> >last 
> > > > >Saturday in the Cozy. We had 40kt winds coming right down the run way. 
> > > No 
> > > > >fun but I got it on the ground. Had to hide behind a hangar for a hour 
> > > > >before they subsided to get airborne again. Flying over to Columbia 
> >this 
> > > > >morning to do a condition inspection on a EZ. 
> > > > >But I'll keep you informed. 
> > > > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > >From: "Scott Derrick" 
> > > > >To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" 
> > > > >Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:34 AM 
> > > > >Subject: Catto prop was Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Dave, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I would have expected a higher static considering your cruise speed 
> >at 
> > > > >2700 
> > > > > > rpm. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm certainly no fixed pitch prop expert but I think the only way to 
> > > get 
> > > > > > more speed on the top end is to go a higher pitch, which will 
> > > sacrifice 
> > > > > > some of your take off performance. It does seem you could add a 
> >few 
> > > > > > hundred feet to your take off without too much of a compromise in 
> >take 
> > > off 
> > > > > > ability. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Do you have a high altitude airport you could try at gross weight to 
> > > see 
> > > > > > how this prop performs under worst case conditions before changing 
> >to 
> > > a 
> > > > > > higher pitch? Like South Lake Tahoe on a warm day? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, You know Chuck Wahl at LVK, he just finished restoring his 
> >T28 
> > > > >last 
> > > > > > year? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Scott 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > At 08:41 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote: 
> > > > > > >I have a XL/RG 1725 empty wt. Aprox. 50gal. gas on take off. 
> > > > > > >IO-540 260HP 
> > > > > > >LVK is 400MSL 
> > > > > > >Climbing out at 2400 RPM 
> > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > >From: "Scott Derrick" 
> > > > > > >To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" 
> > 
> > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:03 PM 
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What airframe/engine combo are you flying? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What's your static RPM as you start to roll? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What altitude are you flying out of? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Scott 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > At 02:35 PM 9/19/2004, you wrote: 
> > > > > > > > >Got some food for thought. I have been testing the new fixed 
> > > pitch 
> > > > >Catto 
> > > > > > > > >prop and using the GRT. EFIS is great for this. In the demo 
> > > record 
> > > > >mode 
> > > > > > >I 
> > > > > > > > >can get all the data and study it. It doesn't come out as a 
> > > > >printable 
> > > > > > > > >spread sheet data but as play-back where you can watch as you 
> > > flew 
> > > > >it. I 
> > > > > > > > >can see right when I took off and the rate of climb and RPM's 
> >and 
> > > > >MAP's I 
> > > > > > > > >was putting out. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >As far as the prop goes it is doing a great job of take-off and 
> > > climb 
> > > > >but 
> > > > > > > > >hurting a little on the top end. I am seeing right around 
> >172kts 
> > > > >true at 
> > > > > > > > >2700rpm. Craig says we can work on this to improve. It is 
> >very 
> > > > >smooth 
> > > > > > >and 
> > > > > > > > >quite. I think some of the quietness comes from being two 
> >inches 
> > > > >further 
> > > > > > > > >back. But right now it is a real pleasure to fly in front of. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >So related to using the GRT system it is great. Once you have a 
> > > > >handle on 
> > > > > > > > >how to pull up different minus. I am still having problems 
> >with 
> > > the 
> > > > >HIS, 
> > > > > > > > >soon to master. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > > > >From: "Scott Derrick" 
> > > > > > > > >To: ; "Velocity Aircraft Owners and 
> > > Builders 
> > > > >list" 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:36 AM 
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Andy, 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > thanks for presenting my situation to GRT. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I'll give Todd a call. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I'm also waiting on a promised reply from Dynon. Their new 
> > > Engine 
> > > > > > >Monitor 
> > > > > > > > > > is due to be released soon. With a two DA10's you can have 
> >an 
> > > > >EFIS 
> > > > > > >and 
> > > > > > > > > > engine monitor. And pick your display for pilot and 
> >co-pilot 
> > > > > > >position. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Scott 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > At 12:36 PM 9/16/2004, you wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > >Scott, 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >Greg and Todd from Grand Rapids came down to Kalamazoo and 
> > > > > > >demonstrated 
> > > > > > > > > > >their PFD and EFIS systems. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >I asked them about the configuration you want to put in. 
> >The 
> > > > >answer 
> > > > > > >was 
> > > > > > > > > > >"Yes" They must not have understood what you were trying 
> >to 
> > > do. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >If you get the EIS with the Graphical display, you get 8 
> >aux 
> > > > >inputs. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >The fuel flow does not use an aux input. The fuel level 
> >can 
> > > only 
> > > > >be 
> > > > > > > > > > >displayed on the graphical display. You will be right at 8 
> > > with 
> > > > >the 
> > > > > > > > > > >configuration you wanted. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >Manifold Pressure (1 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > >Fuel Pressure (1 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > >Fuel Level (2 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > >Ammeter (1 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > >Vacuum (1 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > >TIT (2 aux) 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >This is with the Graphical display. It will not work with 
> > > just 
> > > > >the 
> > > > > > >EIS. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >Give them a call and ask for Todd. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >Best, 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >Andy 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- 
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org 
> > > > > > >[mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On 
> > > > > > > > > > > >Behalf Of Scott Derrick 
> > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:06 AM 
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list; 
> > > > >reflector at tvbf.org 
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: REFLECTOR: Grand Rapids Engine Monitor 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >I was seriously considering swapping my 4 cylinder Vision 
> > > for 
> > > > >GRT's 
> > > > > > >6 
> > > > > > > > > > > >cyl graphical Engine monitor. I looked over the specs 
> >and 
> > > > >realized 
> > > > > > >the 
> > > > > > > > > > > >aux inputs were limited and the standard ones were wasted 
> > > and 
> > > > >not 
> > > > > > > > > > > >changeable items like Carb temp and OAT. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >I asked their tech support about how I could make it work 
> > > with 
> > > > >my 
> > > > > > > > > > > >instrumentation needs. They replied that I would just 
> >have 
> > > to 
> > > > >do 
> > > > > > > > > > > >without TIT or some of the other items. Are they serious? 
> > > They 
> > > > > > > > > > > >considered them not really needed like fuel flow or 
> > > manifold 
> > > > > > > > > > > >pressure??? While I haven't completely crossed them off 
> >my 
> > > > >list of 
> > > > > > > > > > > >possible's I think their product is definitely oriented 
> > > towards 
> > > > >the 
> > > > > > > > > > > >ultralight and wheenie simple engine market... 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >Why would they force me to display Carb heat when most 
> >new 
> > > > >engines 
> > > > > > >are 
> > > > > > > > > > > >injected? OAT is nice but way down on my list for an 
> >engine 
> > > > > > >monitor. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >here was my request. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm in the process of upgrading to a TSIO520 and will 
> > > need 
> > > > >to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > replace 
> > > > > > > > > > >the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > engine monitor I have now. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the 6000 combined with the graphical display. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > However I can't see how I can display everything I 
> > > need. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's your built in functions 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Exhaust Gas Temperatures 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 Cylinder Head Temperatures 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tachometer 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oil Temperature 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oil Pressure 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside Air Temperature( I have one of these already, 
> > > can 
> > > > >it be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > used 
> > > > > > > > > > >for 
> > > > > > > > > > > >something else?) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Voltmeter 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Carburetor Temperature ( I won't need this, can I 
> >use 
> > > it 
> > > > >for 
> > > > > > > > > > > >something 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > else like TIT?) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Heres what I need to add ( 8 items) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Manifold Pressure ( I'm surprised this isn't in the 
> > > built 
> > > > >in 
> > > > > > > > >functions) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuel Pressure(same with this one) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fuel Flow( and this one two) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 Fuel Level Gages(using capacitive sending units) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tubine Inlet Temp (TIT) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammeter(this should be standard) 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vacuum 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >"Those who sacrifice freedom to get security, deserve 
> > > neither." 
> > > > > > > > > > > >- Benjamin Franklin 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
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