REFLECTOR:Heated Pitot

KeithHallsten reflector@tvbf.org
Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:17:34 -0800


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Air Parts of Lock Haven's on-line 2002-2003 catalog shows an overhaul =
price of $200 for most models of blade-type heated pitots, plus a core =
charge of $100.  I didn't see any new  pitots in their catalog.  It's =
too late to call now, but I suspect that their 2004 price is much =
higher, since that's what the market has done.
 =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Airmech=20
  To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:31 PM
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids Technologies-EFIS


  Air-Parts of Lock Haven sells new Piper type heated pitot/ static =
masts. Last I checked I believe they were under $200. We mounted ours on =
the fuselage side under the canard. You have to make a base for it to =
sit straight.  bg
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Scott Baker=20
    To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
    Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:45 PM
    Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids Technologies-EFIS


    Velocity factory prices for heated pitot tubes are going through the =
roof
    ... $400 and climbing.
    Say ... Who was the builder in Texas who designed a "home grown" =
heated
    pitot?  A few years ago he introduced it to the Reflector, but the =
price was
    too close to the "catalog" pitot tube that no one was especially =
interested.
    I think the time is right to bring this idea back to the front =
burner.  I
    saw a prototype, all chromed up, looked okay, but still at bit "home =
grown".
    It looked quite functional however.
    SB

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: "Dan Fast" <onefastvelocity@yahoo.com>
    To: <reflector@tvbf.org>
    Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:11 PM
    Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids Technologies-EFIS


    > Have you checked with Natalie at Velocity Factory...I
    > have found that in most cases their pricing is
    > competitive or less...Dan
    > --- KeithHallsten <KeithHallsten@quiknet.com> wrote:
    > > Chuck,
    > >
    > > Yes, I've been looking at that one.  It's not clear
    > > if they have any brackets to mount it under a wing
    > > or on the canard.  I may have to call them.  Anyone
    > > else have a pitot tube for less than $350?
    > >
    > > Keith
    > >   ----- Original Message -----=20
    > >   From: Chuck Jensen
    > >   To: 'reflector@tvbf.org'
    > >   Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:36 PM
    > >   Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids
    > > Technologies-EFIS
    > >
    > >
    > >   Keith,
    > >
    > >   I don't know if its a good price but Dynon
    > >
    > (http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/pitotfeatures.html)
    > > has a $199 unit on their site that also does angle
    > > of attach (apparently by measuring the pressure
    > > differential between an angled opening and the
    > > pressure in the main pitot) but that's only with
    > > their EFIS.  I didn't figure out if the pitot works
    > > without their EFIS.  If it does, is $199 half way
    > > reasonable for a heated pitot?
    > >
    > >   If I get any other feedback on the GRT unit from
    > > other than the Reflector, I'll pass it along.
    > >
    > >   Chuck
    > >     -----Original Message-----
    > >     From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org
    > > [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of
    > > KeithHallsten
    > >     Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:16 PM
    > >     To: reflector@tvbf.org
    > >     Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids
    > > Technologies-EFIS
    > >
    > >
    > >     Chuck,
    > >
    > >     I'm also looking for some "reports from the
    > > field" on the GRT EFIS.  I have been checking their
    > > website pretty regularly the last few months, and
    > > they note that 5 of their systems are now flying, so
    > > it's still pretty early.  They are shipping them as
    > > fast as they come off the line, so a lot more will
    > > be flying by Oshkosh time.
    > >
    > >     Unless I hear some horror stories in the next
    > > few months, I'll probably be putting a two-display
    > > GRT system in my panel along with their EIS 6000
    > > engine monitor.  I'm thinking of a dedicated primary
    > > flight display for the upper, and a multiple-mode
    > > display for the lower.  That would provide moving
    > > map and graphical engine parameters on the lower
    > > display under normal conditions, and a backup for
    > > the primary flight display if the upper one ever
    > > goes belly-up.  The handheld and panel-mount GPSs
    > > would provide backup moving map, and the EIS would
    > > provide digital engine parameters.  The other
    > > backups would be a mechanical airspeed and
    > > altimeter, and the new turn coordinator from
    > > TruTrak.  This looks to be a pretty fault-tolerant
    > > no-gyro system at a very reasonable cost.  Any
    > > critics?
    > >
    > >     The only real shock lately has been the enormous
    > > recent price spike in pitot tubes.  Anyone got a
    > > line on a reasonable-priced heated pitot?
    > >
    > >     Keith Hallsten, XLFG
    > >
    > >       ----- Original Message -----=20
    > >       From: Chuck Jensen
    > >       To: 'reflector@tvbf.org'
    > >       Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:48 AM
    > >       Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids
    > > Technologies-EFIS
    > >
    > >
    > >       With correct web-link and in non-annoying
    > > smaller print.
    > >
    > >       Has anyone had some experience with Grand
    > > Rapids (http://www.grtavionics.com) new EFIS unit.
    > > I understand several have flow the GRT EIS system
    > > and think well of it and the company, but of course,
    > > the jump to a full blow EFIS is a quantum leap.  On
    > > GRT's web site, under installation, there was a
    > > photo of an installation in Velocity N31VC, which,
    > > with Ronnie Brown's detective work, I understand
    > > belonged to Rob at RJohn15183@aol.com, but I haven't
    > > been able to contact him by email to see if the unit
    > > was installed before he sold the plane or who's
    > > currently flying it....and what their impressions
    > > were.
    > >
    > >         In short, anyone have any feedback about
    > > GRT's EFIS or know anyone I could contact to discuss
    > > the same.
    > >
    > >         Chuck
    > >         27GV, Panel under (re)construction
    >
    >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Air Parts of Lock Haven's on-line=20
2002-2003&nbsp;catalog shows an overhaul price of $200 for most models =
of=20
blade-type heated pitots, plus a core charge of $100.&nbsp; I didn't see =
any new=20
&nbsp;pitots in their catalog.&nbsp; It's too late to call now, but I =
suspect=20
that their 2004 price is much higher, since that's what the market has=20
done.</FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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  <A title=3Dbg@airmech.com href=3D"mailto:bg@airmech.com">Airmech</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 =
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PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:Grand =
Rapids=20
  Technologies-EFIS</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#008000 size=3D2>Air-Parts of Lock =
Haven sells new=20
  Piper type heated pitot/ static masts. Last I checked I believe they =
were=20
  under $200. We mounted ours on the fuselage side under the canard. You =
have to=20
  make a base for it to sit straight.&nbsp; bg</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dsbakr@comcast.net href=3D"mailto:sbakr@comcast.net">Scott =
Baker</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@tvbf.org=20
    href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 =
2:45=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: REFLECTOR:Grand =
Rapids=20
    Technologies-EFIS</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>Velocity factory prices for heated pitot tubes are =
going=20
    through the roof<BR>... $400 and climbing.<BR>Say ... Who was the =
builder in=20
    Texas who designed a "home grown" heated<BR>pitot?&nbsp; A few years =
ago he=20
    introduced it to the Reflector, but the price was<BR>too close to =
the=20
    "catalog" pitot tube that no one was especially interested.<BR>I =
think the=20
    time is right to bring this idea back to the front burner.&nbsp; =
I<BR>saw a=20
    prototype, all chromed up, looked okay, but still at bit "home =
grown".<BR>It=20
    looked quite functional however.<BR>SB<BR><BR>----- Original Message =
-----=20
    <BR>From: "Dan Fast" &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:onefastvelocity@yahoo.com">onefastvelocity@yahoo.com</A>&g=
t;<BR>To:=20
    &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A>&gt;<BR>Sent:=20
    Monday, March 29, 2004 1:11 PM<BR>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand =
Rapids=20
    Technologies-EFIS<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Have you checked with Natalie at =
Velocity=20
    Factory...I<BR>&gt; have found that in most cases their pricing =
is<BR>&gt;=20
    competitive or less...Dan<BR>&gt; --- KeithHallsten &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:KeithHallsten@quiknet.com">KeithHallsten@quiknet.com</A>&g=
t;=20
    wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; Chuck,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Yes, I've been =
looking=20
    at that one.&nbsp; It's not clear<BR>&gt; &gt; if they have any =
brackets to=20
    mount it under a wing<BR>&gt; &gt; or on the canard.&nbsp; I may =
have to=20
    call them.&nbsp; Anyone<BR>&gt; &gt; else have a pitot tube for less =
than=20
    $350?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Keith<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- =

    Original Message ----- <BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Chuck =
Jensen<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:'reflector@tvbf.org'">'reflector@tvbf.org'</A><BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:36 PM<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
    Technologies-EFIS<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =

    Keith,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't know if its a =
good=20
    price but Dynon<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; (<A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/pitotfeatures.html">http://www.=
dynonavionics.com/docs/pitotfeatures.html</A>)<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; has a $199 unit on their site that also does angle<BR>&gt; &gt; =
of=20
    attach (apparently by measuring the pressure<BR>&gt; &gt; =
differential=20
    between an angled opening and the<BR>&gt; &gt; pressure in the main =
pitot)=20
    but that's only with<BR>&gt; &gt; their EFIS.&nbsp; I didn't figure =
out if=20
    the pitot works<BR>&gt; &gt; without their EFIS.&nbsp; If it does, =
is $199=20
    half way<BR>&gt; &gt; reasonable for a heated pitot?<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; If I get any other feedback on the GRT unit =
from<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; other than the Reflector, I'll pass it along.<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Chuck<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
-----Original=20
    Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org">reflector-admin@tvbf.org</A><BR>=
&gt;=20
    &gt; [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
    KeithHallsten<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Sunday, =
March 28,=20
    2004 5:16 PM<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A><BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Grand =
Rapids<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; Technologies-EFIS<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Chuck,<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm also looking for some "reports from =

    the<BR>&gt; &gt; field" on the GRT EFIS.&nbsp; I have been checking=20
    their<BR>&gt; &gt; website pretty regularly the last few months, =
and<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; they note that 5 of their systems are now flying, so<BR>&gt; =
&gt; it's=20
    still pretty early.&nbsp; They are shipping them as<BR>&gt; &gt; =
fast as=20
    they come off the line, so a lot more will<BR>&gt; &gt; be flying by =
Oshkosh=20
    time.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Unless I =
hear some=20
    horror stories in the next<BR>&gt; &gt; few months, I'll probably be =
putting=20
    a two-display<BR>&gt; &gt; GRT system in my panel along with their =
EIS=20
    6000<BR>&gt; &gt; engine monitor.&nbsp; I'm thinking of a dedicated=20
    primary<BR>&gt; &gt; flight display for the upper, and a=20
    multiple-mode<BR>&gt; &gt; display for the lower.&nbsp; That would =
provide=20
    moving<BR>&gt; &gt; map and graphical engine parameters on the =
lower<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; display under normal conditions, and a backup for<BR>&gt; &gt; =
the=20
    primary flight display if the upper one ever<BR>&gt; &gt; goes=20
    belly-up.&nbsp; The handheld and panel-mount GPSs<BR>&gt; &gt; would =
provide=20
    backup moving map, and the EIS would<BR>&gt; &gt; provide digital =
engine=20
    parameters.&nbsp; The other<BR>&gt; &gt; backups would be a =
mechanical=20
    airspeed and<BR>&gt; &gt; altimeter, and the new turn coordinator=20
    from<BR>&gt; &gt; TruTrak.&nbsp; This looks to be a pretty=20
    fault-tolerant<BR>&gt; &gt; no-gyro system at a very reasonable =
cost.&nbsp;=20
    Any<BR>&gt; &gt; critics?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    The only real shock lately has been the enormous<BR>&gt; &gt; recent =
price=20
    spike in pitot tubes.&nbsp; Anyone got a<BR>&gt; &gt; line on a=20
    reasonable-priced heated pitot?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Keith Hallsten, XLFG<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- Original Message =
-----=20
    <BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Chuck =
Jensen<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:'reflector@tvbf.org'">'reflector@tvbf.org'</A><BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Sunday, March 28, =
2004 11:48=20
    AM<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: RE:=20
    REFLECTOR:Grand Rapids<BR>&gt; &gt; Technologies-EFIS<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; With correct =
web-link=20
    and in non-annoying<BR>&gt; &gt; smaller print.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; =

    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Has anyone had some =
experience with=20
    Grand<BR>&gt; &gt; Rapids (<A=20
    href=3D"http://www.grtavionics.com">http://www.grtavionics.com</A>) =
new EFIS=20
    unit.<BR>&gt; &gt; I understand several have flow the GRT EIS =
system<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; and think well of it and the company, but of course,<BR>&gt; =
&gt; the=20
    jump to a full blow EFIS is a quantum leap.&nbsp; On<BR>&gt; &gt; =
GRT's web=20
    site, under installation, there was a<BR>&gt; &gt; photo of an =
installation=20
    in Velocity N31VC, which,<BR>&gt; &gt; with Ronnie Brown's detective =
work, I=20
    understand<BR>&gt; &gt; belonged to Rob at <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:RJohn15183@aol.com">RJohn15183@aol.com</A>, but I=20
    haven't<BR>&gt; &gt; been able to contact him by email to see if the =

    unit<BR>&gt; &gt; was installed before he sold the plane or =
who's<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; currently flying it....and what their impressions<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
    were.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In short, =
anyone have=20
    any feedback about<BR>&gt; &gt; GRT's EFIS or know anyone I could =
contact to=20
    discuss<BR>&gt; &gt; the same.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Chuck<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 27GV, Panel =
under=20
    (re)construction<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
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