jack, > I have a standard RG Elite and only have the VGs (i.e., no vortilons). The > aircraft handles very well even at very low landing speeds. > ...I would disagree and say that you don't need the vortilons if you > have the VGs installed. Your ovservations agree with others I've heard. In other words, if you have the vortilons, you don't need the VGs. Dave Black Shortwing RG