REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling

Jim Sower reflector@tvbf.org
Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:52:11 -0600


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<... goes through an air filter in the wing root ...>
What kind of air filter?  Do you have pictures?  My plane had
scat tubing snaking all over from wing root to filter box at top
of firewall to throttle body under #4 cyl.  I bypassed the
filter, but would LOVE to put one in the wing root if I could
figure out how to get it under all the aileron cable fixtures,
etc.
Need to see how you did yours .... Jim S.

Velocity_AZ wrote:

> I made them per the manual. I do pull induction air for the
> throttle body from a ram air scoop under the co-pilot wing
> that goes through an air filter in the wing root – didn’t rob
> any cooling air from the top nacas. (this part is similar to
> R. Guerra’s installation).Don’t really know if I needed to do
> this for engine cooling, but I did want an air filter and this
> seemed to be a good way to install one
>
> Kevin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf OfAirmech
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:20 PM
> To: Reflector
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling
>
> These are a pair of the correct planform scoops. I was looking
> forward to not needing the VG's but I had to add them. I'm
> pushing a bit more power with this one so I need more flow at
> cruise. bg
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Andy Millin
>
> To: 'Airmech'
>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:33 AM
>
> Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling
>
> Brian,
>
> The only other thing that I know that has worked, is to make
> the roof scoops true NACA submerged inlets.  The shape
> provided by the factory is not correct.  I'm sure you've heard
> that before.  Rich Guerra and Kevin Steiner have made them to
> spec, and I believe they have had good success with the engine
> cooling.  I don't believe they have needed or used VGs on
> their aircraft.
>
>
> ttp://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4291366131&mode=&idx=0
>
> http://www.rguerra.com/velocity/
>
> Andy
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org
> [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] On Behalf Of Airmech
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:01 PM
> To: Reflector
> Subject: REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling
>
> Has anyone tried anything additional besides the pair of VG's
> to the roof
> scoops to increase cooling in cruise?
>
> Brian Gallagher
> XL RG
> Airmech
>
--
Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything
Crossville, TN; Chapter 5
Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T


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&lt;... <font face="Arial"><font size=-1><font color="#000080">goes through
an air filter in the wing root ...></font><font color="#000000"></font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>What kind of
air filter?&nbsp; Do you have pictures?&nbsp; My plane had scat tubing
snaking all over from wing root to filter box at top of firewall to throttle
body under #4 cyl.&nbsp; I bypassed the filter, but would LOVE to put one
in the wing root if I could figure out how to get it under all the aileron
cable fixtures, etc.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Need to see
how you did yours .... Jim S.</font></font></font>
<p>Velocity_AZ wrote:
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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><font face="Arial"><font color="#000080"><font size=-1>I
made them per the manual. I do pull induction air for the throttle body
from a ram air scoop under the co-pilot wing that goes through an air filter
in the wing root – didn’t rob any cooling air from the top nacas. (this
part is similar to R. Guerra’s installation).<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span>Don’t
really know if I needed to do this for engine cooling, but I did want an
air filter and this seemed to be a good way to install one</font></font></font><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>


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Behalf Of</span></b>Airmech</font></font></font>
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Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:20 PM</font></font></font>
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<br><span style='font-weight:bold'><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</span></b>
RE: REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling</font></font></font></span>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>These
are a pair of the correct planform scoops. I was looking forward to not
needing the VG's but I had to add them. I'm pushing a bit more power with
this one so I need more flow at cruise. bg</font></font></font></span><span 
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<div style='font-color:black'><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>From:</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'></b>
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Friday, January 30, 2004 10:33 AM</font></font></font></span><span 
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RE: REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling</font></font></font></span><span 
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1>Brian,</font></font></font></span><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>

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only other thing that I know that has worked, is to make the roof scoops
true NACA submerged inlets.&nbsp; The shape provided by the factory is
not correct.&nbsp; I'm sure you've heard that before.&nbsp; Rich Guerra
and Kevin Steiner have made them to spec, and I believe they have had good
success with the engine cooling.&nbsp; I don't believe they have needed
or used VGs on their aircraft.</font></font></font></span><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>

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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000FF"><font size=-1><a href="http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4291366131&mode=&idx=0">http://www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4291366131&amp;mode=&amp;idx=0</a></font></font></font></span><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>

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<br><span style='font-weight:bold'><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>From:</span></b>
reflector-admin@tvbf.org [<A HREF="mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org">mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org</A>]&nbsp;<span style='font-weight:bold'><b>On
Behalf Of&nbsp;</span></b>Airmech</font></font></font>
<br><span style='font-weight:bold'><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>Sent:</span></b>
Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:01 PM</font></font></font>
<br><span style='font-weight:bold'><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>To:</span></b>
Reflector</font></font></font>
<br><span style='font-weight:bold'><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><b>Subject:</span></b>
REFLECTOR:Naca scoop cooling</font></font></font></span><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span>

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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>Has
anyone tried anything additional besides the pair of VG's to the roof</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>scoops to increase
cooling in cruise?</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>Brian Gallagher</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>XL RG</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=+0>Airmech</font></font></font></span><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
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<br>Jim Sower ... Destiny's Plaything
<br>Crossville, TN; Chapter 5
<br>Long-EZ N83RT, Velocity N4095T
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