REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick

[Scott Baker]

The yoke system was first developed by Velocity for the SUV.  The Firefly 
came later.
Scott B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Tvedte" <JohnT at comp-sol.com>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick


> Another benefit of side sticks - is that they would allow a cut down
> center keel - just like the factory yoke system.  This should result in
> more room.
>
> I think that the factory yoke system was part of the KARI effort
> (Firefly)??  http://www.syhico.com/aero/aero1.htm
>
> John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:12 PM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>
> I don't know if I would spend the time and effort to do a center to side
> stick mod.
>
> I do plan on installing a right side throttle/mixture when I do my
> engine upgrade...
>
> Scott
>
> At 03:00 PM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>Malcolm Collier was designing/building a real neat dual side stick
>>system
>>- I'm sure I saw some pictures of a completed unit.
>>
>>Rich - do you know what happened to that option?
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Greg in sweltering Sydney. (42C over the last two days!)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barber Law Firm"
>><CBarber at texasattorney.net>
>>To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:39 AM
>>Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>>
>>
>>>My plane came with the yoke (the last SUV, I think, but I have added
>>>the second door, so now an SE).  I have no real desire to switch from
>>>the yoke (even though I think a $1000.00 premium for what many do not
>>>consider an upgrade is hurting more than helping). I too like the idea
>
>>>of flying left and fiddling right. The loss of panel area is very
>>>secondary to me (even though with the yoke, the big Blue Mountain
>>>would probably not fit but that is ok since the Blue Mountain is not
>>>in my budget <g>)
>>>
>>>Now, that being said, I do like the idea of a left side stick like the
>
>>>Cirrus.  I spoke with Brandon and he stated it was considered but due
>>>to the slope of the fuselage the left stick would require too many
>>>components and loose the simplicity advantage.  I think he mentioned
>>>it could be done, but you would have to use u-joints etc which cause
>>>some slop in their test. WAY down the road and well after I start
>>>flying, I would give serious consideration to a modification to a left
>
>>>side stick.  BTW, a while back someone posted pictures of a left side
>>>stick.  It was only partially in the picture since the picture was of
>>>the panel. At the time others expressed interest in the left side
>>>stick and hoped more pix of it would be uploaded, but none ever were.
> FWIW.
>>>
>>>All the best,
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
>>>Behalf Of Scott Derrick
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:17 PM
>>>To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
>>>Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry TEC,  I read your comment
>>>
>>>I quote "Also, ever tried to "relieve" yourself with a yoke in the
>>>way?  Come to think of it; never mind."
>>>
>>>and assumed you thought I was proposing that a yoke would be better.
>>>A couple other people implied the same thing in their reply and  guess
>
>>>I lumped you in with them..
>>>
>>>I think I stated numerous times I much prefer the stick over a yoke,
>>>I just think a center stick is bad engineering compared with a side
> stick.
>>>
>>>As to mounting the radio stack on the left.  That's seems like an odd
>>>solution to the problem of a center stick, but I guess it works as
>>>long as your in the left seat!
>>>
>>>Since we have 2 front seats I think the plane is much more useful if
>>>both left and right seats can reach most if not all the controls,
>>>isn't that the norm for most modern airplanes??  I realize there are
>>>some old planes with horrendous placement of radios and instruments
>>>but I thought we were trying to correct the mistakes of the past...  I
>
>>>thought that was the thinking behind the center stack??? Easily
> reached from either seat.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>At 10:45 AM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>>>In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:12:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>scott at tnstaafl.net writes:
>>>>Do people actually read these posting??  Or is it a comprehension
> thing...
>>>>
>>>>I never said I wanted to switch to a yoke,  In fact I said quite the
>>>>opposite..
>>>>
>>>>Sure "You should" have the next freq tuned in ready to go,  ever been
>
>>>>given a different freq than you thought you would?  I have.  Ever
>>>>been real busy and just didn't get to that yet? I have.
>>>>
>>>>Even if you do have it tuned it, you still have to reach across your
>>>>body or let go of the stick to switch freqs..  And that's a bad
> movement.
>>>>
>>>>Hay; do you even read your own post?? In your senerio;
>>>>
>>>> >Scenario in my Velocity:  I'm tracking the glideslope down, hand
>>>> >flying,  Approach says "contact tower"..  I now have to (1) reach
>>>> >across with my left hand and dial/switch the radio, (2)  let go of
>>>> >the stick >and switch with my right hand
>>>>
>>>>That is what I was responding to and that only.  I saw this radio
>>>>problem in 89 when I started building my Velocity.  As a commercial
>>>>helicopter pilot I and am quite familiar with reaching.  That is why
>>>>I mounted all my radios (Terra) single stack on the LEFT side of the
>>>>six-pack along with the nav. heads.  I have had no reaching in the 10
>
>>>>years I have been flying
>>>it.
>>>>
>>>>I suggest before you start flaming people, read your own posts that
>>>>are being respond to.  How many of these scenarios in your Velocity
>>>>have you had that were unmanageable?
>>>>
>>>>TEC
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>>>
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