REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick

Wed Dec 1 16:00:37 CST 2004

Malcolm Collier was designing/building a real neat dual side stick system - 
I'm sure I saw some pictures of a completed unit.

Rich - do you know what happened to that option?

Cheers

Greg in sweltering Sydney. (42C over the last two days!)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barber Law Firm" <CBarber at texasattorney.net>
To: "Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list" <reflector at tvbf.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick

> My plane came with the yoke (the last SUV, I think, but I have added the
> second door, so now an SE).  I have no real desire to switch from the yoke
> (even though I think a $1000.00 premium for what many do not consider an
> upgrade is hurting more than helping). I too like the idea of flying left
> and fiddling right. The loss of panel area is very secondary to me (even
> though with the yoke, the big Blue Mountain would probably not fit but 
> that
> is ok since the Blue Mountain is not in my budget <g>)
>
> Now, that being said, I do like the idea of a left side stick like the
> Cirrus.  I spoke with Brandon and he stated it was considered but due to 
> the
> slope of the fuselage the left stick would require too many components and
> loose the simplicity advantage.  I think he mentioned it could be done, 
> but
> you would have to use u-joints etc which cause some slop in their test. 
> WAY
> down the road and well after I start flying, I would give serious
> consideration to a modification to a left side stick.  BTW, a while back
> someone posted pictures of a left side stick.  It was only partially in 
> the
> picture since the picture was of the panel. At the time others expressed
> interest in the left side stick and hoped more pix of it would be 
> uploaded,
> but none ever were.  FWIW.
>
> All the best,
>
> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: reflector-bounces at tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-bounces at tvbf.org]On
> Behalf Of Scott Derrick
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 12:17 PM
> To: Velocity Aircraft Owners and Builders list
> Subject: Re: REFLECTOR: Yoke vs. Stick
>
>
> Sorry TEC,  I read your comment
>
> I quote "Also, ever tried to "relieve" yourself with a yoke in the
> way?  Come to think of it; never mind."
>
> and assumed you thought I was proposing that a yoke would be better.  A
> couple other people implied the same thing in their reply and  guess I
> lumped you in with them..
>
> I think I stated numerous times I much prefer the stick over a yoke,  I
> just think a center stick is bad engineering compared with a side stick.
>
> As to mounting the radio stack on the left.  That's seems like an odd
> solution to the problem of a center stick, but I guess it works as long as
> your in the left seat!
>
> Since we have 2 front seats I think the plane is much more useful if both
> left and right seats can reach most if not all the controls, isn't that 
> the
> norm for most modern airplanes??  I realize there are some old planes with
> horrendous placement of radios and instruments but I thought we were 
> trying
> to correct the mistakes of the past...  I thought that was the thinking
> behind the center stack??? Easily reached from either seat.
>
> Scott
>
> At 10:45 AM 12/1/2004, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:12:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>>scott at tnstaafl.net writes:
>>Do people actually read these posting??  Or is it a comprehension thing...
>>
>>I never said I wanted to switch to a yoke,  In fact I said quite the
>>opposite..
>>
>>Sure "You should" have the next freq tuned in ready to go,  ever been 
>>given
>>a different freq than you thought you would?  I have.  Ever been real busy
>>and just didn't get to that yet? I have.
>>
>>Even if you do have it tuned it, you still have to reach across your body
>>or let go of the stick to switch freqs..  And that's a bad movement.
>>
>>Hay; do you even read your own post?? In your senerio;
>>
>> >Scenario in my Velocity:  I'm tracking the glideslope down, hand
>> >flying,  Approach says "contact tower"..  I now have to (1) reach across
>> >with my left hand and dial/switch the radio, (2)  let go of the stick 
>> >and
>> >switch with my right hand
>>
>>That is what I was responding to and that only.  I saw this radio problem
>>in 89 when I started building my Velocity.  As a commercial helicopter
>>pilot I and am quite familiar with reaching.  That is why I mounted all my
>>radios (Terra) single stack on the LEFT side of the six-pack along with
>>the nav. heads.  I have had no reaching in the 10 years I have been flying
> it.
>>
>>I suggest before you start flaming people, read your own posts that are
>>being respond to.  How many of these scenarios in your Velocity have you
>>had that were unmanageable?
>>
>>TEC
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