REFLECTOR:Flying Level or not

Ronnie Brown reflector@tvbf.org
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:56:44 -0400


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Rene,

How can the wings be out of level but the ball centered?  I think your =
ball must not be level with the plane.

I have the same problem except it is the right wing that is low and I =
can see my ailerons, left one is up about an 1/8 of an inch and the =
right one is down about an 1/8th.  My ball is over to the left, I can =
press on the left rudder and center the ball and the wings will be more =
level.  But like your plane, this would cause a loss in speed.

However, the fix is to adjust the heavy wing.  I need to add a shim to =
the upper right wing bolt and this should level the wings.  I haven't =
added the shim yet, but this is the same drill we went through on our =
172.  I adjusted the trim tab on the rudder, it relieved the problem, =
but our I/A says the fix is to adjust the wings rather than the rudder. =
So we adjusted the exocentric bolt in the right wing and sure enough, =
problem fixed. =20

I would suggest adding a shim to the upper left wing bolt on your plane.

Ronnie Brown
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rene Dugas=20
  To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:54 PM
  Subject: REFLECTOR:Flying Level or not


  Dear fellows,

  My plane has been flying for about 160 hrs without significant =
problems but my left wing is lower than the right in level straight =
flight with the ball centered.  This causes my right wing fuel to empty =
about twelve gallons first the fuel flow equalizes.  Fuel and vent lines =
are fine and flow well.  Fuel caps are tight and greased with metal and =
o-ring seals. =20

  If I use left rudder the sing will lift and the ball moves about 1/4th =
ball to the right and fuel flow will equalize.  This occurs with the =
front edge of the rudder about 1/8th inch back.  I placed a fragment of =
a tongue depressor in the groove and flew with the wings level and ball =
to the right 1/4th and lost about 3 to 4 knots in cruise. =20

  The unequal flow also causes my low fuel warning light to start =
flickering after the first 15 gallons have drained from the right tank.

  My goal is to get the plane to fly straight and wings level with equal =
feed from both tanks.  I used an electronic level in the plane and it =
flies about 1.5 degrees left wing low.

  I am curious is placing a shim to move the wing back inside the cowl =
would angle the winglet on the left wing forward enough to increase it's =
inward lift and do the same thing than rudder does?  I can shim the =
rudder but then the rudder will never be in trail - looks bad and seems =
less aerodynamic.  Brendan is concerned about flutter but if the winglet =
is moved forward that should place more return pressure on the rudder =
not less.

  Ideas and choices and EXPERIENCE would be appreciated.



  Rene' Dugas

  XL RG

  N129RD


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Rene,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>How can the wings be out of level but the ball =
centered?&nbsp;=20
I think your ball must not be level with the plane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have the same problem except it is the right wing =
that is=20
low and I can see my ailerons, left one is up about an 1/8 of an inch =
and the=20
right one is down about an 1/8th.&nbsp; My ball is over to the left, I =
can press=20
on the left rudder and center the ball and the wings will be more =
level.&nbsp;=20
But like your plane, this would cause a loss in speed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>However, the fix is to adjust the&nbsp;heavy =
wing.&nbsp; I=20
need to add a shim to the upper right wing bolt and this should level =
the=20
wings.&nbsp;&nbsp;I haven't&nbsp;added the shim yet, but&nbsp;this is=20
the&nbsp;same drill we went through on our 172.&nbsp;&nbsp;I adjusted =
the trim=20
tab on the rudder, it relieved the problem, but our I/A says the fix is =
to=20
adjust the wings rather than the rudder.&nbsp;So we adjusted the=20
exocentric&nbsp;bolt in the right wing and sure enough, problem =
fixed.&nbsp;=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I would suggest adding a shim to the upper left wing =
bolt on=20
your plane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ronnie Brown</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Drdugas@bayou.com href=3D"mailto:rdugas@bayou.com">Rene =
Dugas</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dreflector@tvbf.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:reflector@tvbf.org">reflector@tvbf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 =
6:54=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> REFLECTOR:Flying Level =
or=20
  not</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear fellows,</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My plane has been flying for about 160 hrs =
without=20
  significant problems but my left wing is lower than the right in level =

  straight flight with the ball centered.&nbsp; This causes my right =
wing fuel=20
  to empty about twelve gallons first the fuel flow equalizes.&nbsp; =
Fuel and=20
  vent lines are fine and flow well.&nbsp; Fuel caps are tight and =
greased with=20
  metal and o-ring seals.&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If I use left rudder the sing will lift and =
the ball=20
  moves about 1/4<SUP>th</SUP> ball to the right and fuel flow will=20
  equalize.&nbsp; This occurs with the front edge of the rudder about=20
  1/8<SUP>th</SUP> inch back.&nbsp; I placed a fragment of a tongue =
depressor in=20
  the groove and flew with the wings level and ball to the right=20
  1/4<SUP>th</SUP> and lost about 3 to 4 knots in cruise.&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The unequal flow also causes my low fuel =
warning light=20
  to start flickering after the first 15 gallons have drained from the =
right=20
  tank.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">My goal is to get the plane to fly straight =
and wings=20
  level with equal feed from both tanks.&nbsp; I used an electronic =
level in the=20
  plane and it flies about 1.5 degrees left wing low.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I am curious is placing a shim to move the =
wing back=20
  inside the cowl would angle the winglet on the left wing forward =
enough to=20
  increase it&#8217;s inward lift and do the same thing than rudder =
does?&nbsp; I can=20
  shim the rudder but then the rudder will never be in trail &#8211; =
looks bad and=20
  seems less aerodynamic.&nbsp; Brendan is concerned about flutter but =
if the=20
  winglet is moved forward that should place more return pressure on the =
rudder=20
  not less.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ideas and choices and EXPERIENCE would be=20
  appreciated.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rene&#8217; Dugas</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">XL RG</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3D#663333 =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">N129RD</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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