REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP
Chuck Jensen
reflector@tvbf.org
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:42:09 -0400
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Lon,
You're point is dead on about $150K for an aircraft, then we complain about
a $12K prop. Some of it is intuition. Intuitively, it just doesn't seem
right that two or three sticks of wood or plastic should cost almost half of
what an engine costs, even though the engineering is obvious a little tricky
and more difficult to execute properly than one would think---just ask MT.
And of course, the reason it costs $150K to begin with is half the stuff
costs twice what it should.
We look forward to more of your comments in the future. If you contribute
long enough, you too can make a fool of yourself like many of us have
mutiple times. But so far, your record is sterling.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf Of
Lon Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:00 PM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP
I've been reading the Reflector for years. Never commented before. I've
noticed many complaints and much bitching about MT props., reliability,
service, etc. Everyone seems to be looking for an alternative . (a cheap
one, ain't going to happen). Now we have some competition. $14850 vs. $12k+
and expensive shipping from Germany, seems close to me. We are building a
$150K+aircraft therefore it doesn't seem excessive to spend a few thousand
more for better reliability, service and not having to deal with the
germans. Add up having to ship the MT back and forth when it has problems it
comes out fairly close. With a pusher prop I want something that will take
some beating. Just my opinion.
_____
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] On Behalf
Of HYTEC45@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:43 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP
In a message dated 4/26/2004 9:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
KeithHallsten@quiknet.com writes:
One plus for me is that final assembly is done at American Propeller in
Redding, California (which company is also the MT service center for the
western US), but that might not be as appealing for those on the east side
of the country!
I have been using American Propeller for the repair of my mt. They helped
with the blade replacement that cracked from harmonic vibration (hence;
restricted RPM). They also recommended the hub modification to prevent seal
leakage. After the hub was modified by mt, and reassembled by American, all
three blades leaked big time from the start. After removing again after 5
hours of operation, Todd, (American Propeller) got approval from mt (after
my bitching) to disassemble and reinstall new seals (others were new).
Again, after return, all three blades began leaking grease big time. After
contacting American Propeller, and sending more photos, I was told by Todd,
"I don't know what to tell you, maybe you should send it to mt Florida for
repair." Todd also said that I could fly it until the grease stops coming
out as until then, you know you still have grease. I'm not talking about
just a little sheen on the prop, but several black streaks on each blade
even after only 1/2 hr. of flight. American Propeller has told me in the
past that mt is very bad in regard to service and warranty.
Here I sit with a propeller that was modified to prevent seal leakage as
recommended by them (never leaked before) yet leaks in all three blades, and
a repair shop that told me to basically "pound sand" because they can't fix
it.
My only problem was that I purchased and received a piece of crap, with
failures that are no fault of the owner, yet I am being treated like it is.
As always, I agree with Al. When the grease is gone, I'll put my fixed
pitch back on and be done with the problems. Then I'll pull it apart myself
and address the problem.
TEC (I wonder how much grease it holds).
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<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Lon,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You're
point is dead on about $150K for an aircraft, then we complain about a $12K
prop. Some of it is intuition. Intuitively, it just doesn't seem
right that two or three sticks of wood or plastic should cost almost half of
what an engine costs, even though the engineering is obvious a little tricky and
more difficult to execute properly than one would think---just ask MT. And
of course, the reason it costs $150K to begin with is half the stuff costs twice
what it should.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>We
look forward to more of your comments in the future. If you contribute
long enough, you too can make a fool of yourself like many of us
have mutiple times. But so far, your record is
sterling.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=939341120-27042004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> reflector-admin@tvbf.org
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Lon
Hoskins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER
PROP<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve been reading the
Reflector for years. Never commented before. I’ve noticed many complaints and
much bitching about MT props., reliability, service, etc. Everyone
seems to be looking for an alternative . (a cheap one, ain’t going to
happen). Now we have some competition. $14850 vs. $12k+ and expensive shipping
from Germany, seems close to me. We are building a $150K+aircraft
therefore it doesn’t seem excessive to spend a few thousand more for
better reliability, service and not having to deal with the germans. Add up
having to ship the MT back and forth when it has problems it comes out fairly
close. With a pusher prop I want something that will take some beating.
Just my opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] <B><SPAN
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:43
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reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated 4/26/2004
9:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, KeithHallsten@quiknet.com
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One plus for me is that final
assembly is done at American Propeller in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Redding</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">California</st1:State></st1:place> (which company is also the
MT service center for the western US), but that might not be as appealing
for those on the east side of the
country!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have been using American
Propeller for the repair of my mt. They helped with the blade
replacement that cracked from harmonic vibration (hence; restricted
RPM). They also recommended the hub modification to prevent seal
leakage. After the hub was modified by mt, and reassembled by
American, all three blades leaked big time from the start. After
removing again after 5 hours of operation, Todd, (American Propeller) got
approval from mt (after my bitching) to disassemble and reinstall new seals
(others were new). Again, after return, all three blades began leaking
grease big time. After contacting American Propeller, and sending more
photos, I was told by Todd, "I don't know what to tell you, maybe you should
send it to mt <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> for repair." Todd also
said that I could fly it until the grease stops coming out as until then, you
know you still have grease. I'm not talking about just a little sheen on
the prop, but several black streaks on each blade even after only 1/2 hr. of
flight. American Propeller has told me in the past that mt is very bad
in regard to service and warranty.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here I sit with a propeller that
was modified to prevent seal leakage as recommended by them (never leaked
before) yet leaks in all three blades, and a repair shop that told me to
basically "pound sand" because they can't fix
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My only problem was that I
purchased and received a piece of crap, with failures that are no fault
of the owner, yet I am being treated like it
is.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As always, I agree with
Al. When the grease is gone, I'll put my fixed pitch back on and be done
with the problems. Then I'll pull it apart myself and address the
problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TEC (I wonder how much grease it
holds).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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