REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP
Lon Hoskins
reflector@tvbf.org
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:59:40 -0700
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I've been reading the Reflector for years. Never commented before. I've
noticed many complaints and much bitching about MT props., reliability,
service, etc. Everyone seems to be looking for an alternative . (a cheap
one, ain't going to happen). Now we have some competition. $14850 vs. $12k+
and expensive shipping from Germany, seems close to me. We are building a
$150K+aircraft therefore it doesn't seem excessive to spend a few thousand
more for better reliability, service and not having to deal with the
germans. Add up having to ship the MT back and forth when it has problems it
comes out fairly close. With a pusher prop I want something that will take
some beating. Just my opinion.
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From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] On Behalf
Of HYTEC45@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 7:43 AM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:AERO COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP
In a message dated 4/26/2004 9:36:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
KeithHallsten@quiknet.com writes:
One plus for me is that final assembly is done at American Propeller in
Redding, California (which company is also the MT service center for the
western US), but that might not be as appealing for those on the east side
of the country!
I have been using American Propeller for the repair of my mt. They helped
with the blade replacement that cracked from harmonic vibration (hence;
restricted RPM). They also recommended the hub modification to prevent seal
leakage. After the hub was modified by mt, and reassembled by American, all
three blades leaked big time from the start. After removing again after 5
hours of operation, Todd, (American Propeller) got approval from mt (after
my bitching) to disassemble and reinstall new seals (others were new).
Again, after return, all three blades began leaking grease big time. After
contacting American Propeller, and sending more photos, I was told by Todd,
"I don't know what to tell you, maybe you should send it to mt Florida for
repair." Todd also said that I could fly it until the grease stops coming
out as until then, you know you still have grease. I'm not talking about
just a little sheen on the prop, but several black streaks on each blade
even after only 1/2 hr. of flight. American Propeller has told me in the
past that mt is very bad in regard to service and warranty.
Here I sit with a propeller that was modified to prevent seal leakage as
recommended by them (never leaked before) yet leaks in all three blades, and
a repair shop that told me to basically "pound sand" because they can't fix
it.
My only problem was that I purchased and received a piece of crap, with
failures that are no fault of the owner, yet I am being treated like it is.
As always, I agree with Al. When the grease is gone, I'll put my fixed
pitch back on and be done with the problems. Then I'll pull it apart myself
and address the problem.
TEC (I wonder how much grease it holds).
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color:navy'>I’ve been reading the Reflector for years. Never =
commented
before. I’ve noticed many complaints and much bitching about MT =
props.,
reliability, service, etc. Everyone seems to be looking for =
an
alternative . (a cheap one, ain’t going to happen). Now we have =
some
competition. $14850 vs. $12k+ and expensive shipping from Germany, seems =
close
to me. We are building a $150K+aircraft therefore it =
doesn’t
seem excessive to spend a few thousand more for better =
reliability,
service and not having to deal with the germans. Add up having to ship =
the MT
back and forth when it has problems it comes out fairly close. With a =
pusher
prop I want something that will take some beating. Just my =
opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>HYTEC45@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 27, =
2004 7:43
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
reflector@tvbf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =
REFLECTOR:AERO
COMPOSITES PUSHER PROP</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In a message dated 4/26/2004 9:36:50 PM Pacific =
Standard
Time, KeithHallsten@quiknet.com writes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>One plus for me is that final assembly is done at =
American
Propeller in <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City =
w:st=3D"on">Redding</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st=3D"on">California</st1:State></st1:place> (which company is =
also the
MT service center for the western US), but that might not be as =
appealing for
those on the east side of the country!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have been using American Propeller for the repair =
of my
mt. They helped with the blade replacement that cracked from =
harmonic
vibration (hence; restricted RPM). They also recommended the hub
modification to prevent seal leakage. After the hub was
modified by mt, and reassembled by American, all three blades leaked big =
time
from the start. After removing again after 5 hours of operation, =
Todd,
(American Propeller) got approval from mt (after my bitching) to =
disassemble
and reinstall new seals (others were new). Again, after return, =
all three
blades began leaking grease big time. After contacting American =
Propeller,
and sending more photos, I was told by Todd, "I don't know what to =
tell
you, maybe you should send it to mt <st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State>
for repair." Todd also said that I could fly it until =
the
grease stops coming out as until then, you know you still have =
grease.
I'm not talking about just a little sheen on the prop, but several black
streaks on each blade even after only 1/2 hr. of flight. American
Propeller has told me in the past that mt is very bad in regard to =
service and
warranty.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here I sit with a propeller that was modified to =
prevent
seal leakage as recommended by them (never leaked before) yet =
leaks
in all three blades, and a repair shop that told me to basically =
"pound
sand" because they can't fix it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My only problem was that I purchased and received a =
piece of
crap, with failures that are no fault of the owner, yet I am being =
treated
like it is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As always, I agree with Al. When the =
grease is
gone, I'll put my fixed pitch back on and be done with the
problems. Then I'll pull it apart myself and address the =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>TEC (I wonder how much grease it =
holds).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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