REFLECTOR:Buss material

KeithHallsten reflector@tvbf.org
Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:17:57 -0700


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Al,

Your local ACE hardware store (or the equivalent) probably has a display =
from K&S Engineering of small brass & aluminum tubes, angles, and bars =
for hobby purposes.  Just the ticket!

Keith


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Al Gietzen=20
  To: reflector@tvbf.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 8:23 AM
  Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Buss material


  Thanks for info on buss material.  I thought there might be a =
corrosion issue on aluminum.  I know there is an issue of fatigue =
failure as well in wires, which wouldn't be in a buss.



  Aluminum is at least a good conductor; resistance about 1.6 times that =
of copper.  Brass, on the other hand, has resistance about 4 times that =
of copper.  The 1/8" x =BD" copper I had I got from Aeroelectric; I was =
surprised to find that he is now selling .025 thick brass instead.  In a =
=BD" width, that's equivalent to about a #15 wire.  Seems pretty =
marginal for a buss with half dozen or more circuits running off.  The =
copper was equal to about a #2 wire.  1/8" brass would be great - now =
where will I get that on Sunday. . . .=20



  Who's selling copper buss??  I have some .040 wall copper pipe laying =
around.  I could cut and flatten that. =BD" wide would be about a #7 =
wire. That would handle it.



  If you DO decide to go with Aluminum, how about sending the Copper to =
me.=20
  I promise I will give it a GOOD home .... Jim S.



  Sorry, Jim; no copper coming your way. I used most of what I had on =
ground busses.  Considered the  aluminum because I hate having to go =
show parts when I'm in the middle of a job.



  Al

  -----Original Message-----
  From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org] On =
Behalf Of KeithHallsten
  Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:44 PM
  To: reflector@tvbf.org
  Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Buss material



  Al,



  Just the usual concerns with aluminum conductors.  A little light =
corrosion in an aluminum connection has a lot of resistance, whereas a =
little light corrosion on copper adds only slight resistance.  Extra =
resistance causes heat, which accelerates corrosion.  A vicious circle.  =
Therefore, you need to make extra certain you do what you can to prevent =
corrosion at the connections to an aluminum buss.  Special coatings, =
etc.  On balance, I don't think it's worth it - I'd get some more =
copper!



  Keith Hallsten



    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: Al Gietzen=20

    To: reflector=20

    Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:10 AM

    Subject: REFLECTOR:Buss material



    I had some 1/8" copper buss material that I used most of for ground =
buss.  Any reason not to use 1/8" aluminum for circuit breaker buss?



    Al

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Al,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your local ACE hardware store (or the =
equivalent)=20
probably has a display from K&amp;S Engineering of small brass &amp; =
aluminum=20
tubes, angles, and bars for hobby purposes.&nbsp; Just the =
ticket!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Keith</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3DALVentures@cox.net href=3D"mailto:ALVentures@cox.net">Al =
Gietzen</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 25, 2004 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Buss=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Thanks =
for info on=20
  buss material. &nbsp;I thought there might be a corrosion issue on=20
  aluminum.&nbsp; I know there is an issue of fatigue failure as well in =
wires,=20
  which wouldn=92t be in a buss.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Aluminum =
is at=20
  least a good conductor; resistance about 1.6 times that of copper.=20
  &nbsp;Brass, on the other hand, has resistance about 4 times that of=20
  copper.&nbsp; The 1/8=94 x =BD=94 copper I had I got from =
Aeroelectric; I was=20
  surprised to find that he is now selling .025 thick brass =
instead.&nbsp; In a=20
  =BD=94 width, that=92s equivalent to about a #15 wire.&nbsp; Seems =
pretty marginal=20
  for a buss with half dozen or more circuits running off.&nbsp; The =
copper was=20
  equal to about a #2 wire.&nbsp; 1/8=94 brass would be great =96 now =
where will I=20
  get that on Sunday. . . . </SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Verdana"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Who=92s =
selling=20
  copper buss??&nbsp; I have some .040 wall copper pipe laying =
around.&nbsp; I=20
  could cut and flatten that. =BD=94 wide would be about a #7 wire. That =
would=20
  handle it.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Verdana"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If you DO decide to go with Aluminum, how =
about=20
  sending the Copper to me. <BR>I promise I will give it a GOOD home =
.... Jim=20
  S.</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Sorry, =
Jim; no=20
  copper coming your way. I used most of what I had on ground =
busses.&nbsp;=20
  Considered the&nbsp; aluminum because I hate having to go show parts =
when I=92m=20
  in the middle of a job.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></B>KeithHallsten<BR><B><SPAN=20
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  2004</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just the usual concerns =
with=20
  aluminum conductors.&nbsp; A little light corrosion in an aluminum =
connection=20
  has a lot of resistance, whereas a little light corrosion on copper =
adds only=20
  slight resistance.&nbsp; Extra resistance causes heat, which =
accelerates=20
  corrosion.&nbsp; A vicious circle.&nbsp; Therefore, you need to make =
extra=20
  certain you do what you can to prevent corrosion at the connections to =
an=20
  aluminum buss.&nbsp; Special coatings, etc.&nbsp; On balance, I don't =
think=20
  it's worth it - I'd get some more copper!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    REFLECTOR:Buss material</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DVerdana=20
    size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I had =
some 1/8=94=20
    copper buss material that I used most of for ground buss.&nbsp; Any =
reason=20
    not to use 1/8=94 aluminum for circuit breaker =
buss?</SPAN></FONT></P>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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