REFLECTOR:Velocity busts Presidential TFR
Christopher Barber
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Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:30:10 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On Behalf
Of Chuck Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:33 PM
To: 'reflector@tvbf.org'
Subject: RE: REFLECTOR:Velocity busts Presidential TFR
Isn't this quite the system. The more arrogant, obnoxious, infallible,
vindictive, self-important, bureaucratic and autocratic an organization is,
the more "polite" we have to treat them so that they don't give us the
full-Monty.
-----Original Message-----
From: reflector-admin@tvbf.org [mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]On
Behalf Of OddJ@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:02 PM
To: reflector@tvbf.org
Subject: Re: REFLECTOR:Velocity busts Presidential TFR
Dennis,
Be very careful with your response. There are several bureaucratic
layers (all infallible and VERY vindictive) between whoever/whatever
"observed" you and the FAA.
FAA was probably receiving the info second/third/fourth hand.
At Sun'n Fun there was a booth manned by Florida Air National Guard
(FANG) where a detailed description of intercepts and response routines were
"explained". I don't know who has the reponsibility in Texas, but in Florida
it is FANG. They scramble F16s or F15s. The F15s don't even have VHF thus
cannot communicate on 121.5, but..., the major proudly stated, a blast from
the afterburners will get your attention instead.
If I were you I would write a polite, no sarcasm, letter back to FAA
explaining the reason for why it was not you and requesting a written
confirmation that no harm will come your way. I would also send a copy of
the FAA letter and your response to AOPA (for information only, no action
required for now).
My guess is that you will never know who "observed" you. Pursuing it may
only get you onto the NO FLY LIST, and TSA is never wrong.
Hope it works out for you. Please keep us posted.
Best regards,
Odd N190J XL/RG
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Jensen<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
'reflector@tvbf.org'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: REFLECTOR:Velocity busts=20
Presidential TFR<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D437432219-21042004><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Isn't this quite the system. The more arrogant, =
obnoxious,=20
infallible, vindictive, self-important, bureaucratic and =
autocratic an=20
organization is, the more "polite" we have to treat them so that they =
don't=20
give us the full-Monty.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
reflector-admin@tvbf.org=20
[mailto:reflector-admin@tvbf.org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>OddJ@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:02=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> reflector@tvbf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
REFLECTOR:Velocity busts Presidential TFR<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Dennis,<BR>Be very careful with your response. =
There are=20
several bureaucratic layers (all infallible and VERY vindictive) =
between=20
whoever/whatever "observed" you and the FAA.<BR>FAA was probably =
receiving=20
the info second/third/fourth hand.<BR>At Sun'n Fun there was a booth =
manned=20
by Florida Air National Guard (FANG) where a detailed =
description of=20
intercepts and response routines were "explained". I don't know who =
has the=20
reponsibility in Texas, but in Florida it is FANG. They scramble =
F16s or=20
F15s. The F15s don't even have VHF thus cannot communicate on 121.5, =
but...,=20
the major proudly stated, a blast from the afterburners will get =
your=20
attention instead.<BR>If I were you I would write a polite, no =
sarcasm,=20
letter back to FAA explaining the reason for why it was not you and=20
requesting a written confirmation that no harm will come your way. I =
would=20
also send a copy of the FAA letter and your response to AOPA (for=20
information only, no action required for now).<BR>My guess is that =
you will=20
never know who "observed" you. Pursuing it may only get you onto the =
NO FLY=20
LIST, and TSA is never wrong.<BR><BR>Hope it works out for you. =
Please keep=20
us posted.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR>Odd N190J =
XL/RG</FONT>=20
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